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Engine ice
- Thread starter padu
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no sir
.....or maam
what she said
Water with water wetter.
Please try doing a search on the forums as questions like this have been asked a number of times.
An alternative to water wetter that might be easier to find is Motul's MoCool. Anyone who carries Motul products should be able 2 get it (free plug for BlueStreak Racing...Tony has it in stock).
The key to your additive is that it must not contain elthelyene glycol or propeline glycol. I couldn't spell either properly if you put a gun to my head, but just avoid em and you're good.
The key to your additive is that it must not contain elthelyene glycol or propeline glycol. I couldn't spell either properly if you put a gun to my head, but just avoid em and you're good.
padu
Well-known member
I heard you can't use mocool
It's advertised as non-glycol based so it should be good.
I'm sure Ken or someone will be on eventually to clarify.
You knew it wasn't allowed but did anyway? That's a lack of respect to your fellow riders and track day organizer.
Anyone know if this product is ok to use?
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=349&catid=9&loc=show
Anyone know if this product is ok to use?
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=349&catid=9&loc=show
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Nice.
He's a class act. I have him on ignore so would have missed this gem if you hadn't quoted it. I'm gonna assume that at Calabogie he doesn't run engine ice.
GRAYZ
Well-known member
You only have to crash once to mess up everyone else's day, or worse.
Shaman
Well-known member
Or not. I'm not a real follower of rules I don't agree with and this is one of them... Ice is good enough for AMA but not for club racing? Please.
Have you seen what happens to Ice when it dries? It doesn't take long. It's dries like sugar, very tacky, and later turns to dust.
You people crack me up... you'll RACE around tar-snakes on the fastest corners and grass growing up between cracks in several very inconvenient (passing) places, on every lap, at Shannonville. But you're all butthurt and worried about a product that has been sanctioned by a major racing organization and is no more of a problem if it escapes on pavement than water is.
Have you seen what happens to Ice when it dries? It doesn't take long. It's dries like sugar, very tacky, and later turns to dust.
You people crack me up... you'll RACE around tar-snakes on the fastest corners and grass growing up between cracks in several very inconvenient (passing) places, on every lap, at Shannonville. But you're all butthurt and worried about a product that has been sanctioned by a major racing organization and is no more of a problem if it escapes on pavement than water is.
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GRAYZ
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Relax. To my knowledge, the only TD organizer that specifically allows Engine Ice is Pro6. The others appear to be ambiguous, but it's common sense to find that out ahead of time. I would suspect they'd be o.k. with it. But I'm interested in knowing how you think you are getting away with something if it is actually ok with them but you didn't clear that up specifically?
Shaman
Well-known member
I'm not "getting away with it," when they ask I tell them I'm using Engine Ice. No tear were shed, no fist fights in the pits, no protracted arguments. Off I go on my track day. YOUR MILAGE MAY VARY.
With the disclaimer that I have not tried it myself (because roadracing rulebook HERE says "no", regardless of what AMA says) - That described behaviour is not consistent with what I've been told by others (just as slippery as ethylene glycol) and it is not consistent with the MSDS for propylene glycol, which is the primary constituent of Engine Ice coolant as I understand it (clear viscous liquid with a boiling point of 188 C).
The AMA's position on this (which appears to have been copied by some other organizations) has to be reconciled with the manufacturer of Engine Ice having sponsored certain AMA roadracing classes in the past, and the AMA hasn't the greatest reputation for keeping safety and technical requirements and class structures independent of commercial considerations. "We'll sponsor a roadracing class for the year ... provided that you allow racers to use it (regardless of the rationale for originally not allowing its use)". That sort of thing.
In the other LONG thread about coolant use on the racetrack, John Bickle expressed his opinion about Engine Ice, and on matters of racetrack safety, I'll take him at his word.
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