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EMP car and bike halting news.

GentlemanRacer

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Tinfoil, it's the new black:
"The RF Safe-Stop uses radio frequency pulses to "confuse" a vehicle's electronic systems, cutting its engine...

[...] suggested the machine's ability to stop motorbikes "safely" could prove particularly useful."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25197786

Anyway, nothing some shielded cables and some diodes couldn't fix, but still. When their boot is on your neck, whether it is the right boot or the left boot doesn't really matter.

Here are more details: http://www.theengineer.co.uk/milita...car-and-boat-engines-from-50m/1017308.article
 
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Wonder how old a computer has to be before it matters. I have an ancient, first-generation jet-tronic fuel-injection computer on my old beast. Wonder if it'd notice or care?

Certainly older, carbureated bikes with points ignition won't care either.
 
There are some comments to that article that make valid points about other systems on the vehicle, and there's an even more important one. A good many vehicles nowadays use electronically-controlled power steering and over the next few years, that will become vastly the most common system. Confuse the electronics and it's equally likely that it will confuse the power steering controller just as badly as it confuses the engine. Disable a vehicle at a moment when the driver is relying on power steering assistance - most modern cars are almost un-drivable without it! - and the system causes a crash, lawsuits follow, system goes away. Or even worse, confuse the power steering controller such that it commands full left, vehicle in question abruptly veers into oncoming traffic, killing innocent parties, lawsuit follows, system goes away.

I doubt if this system will become mainstream. I suspect that the potential issues with electronic power steering will get discovered before it does.

It won't work at all on old gasoline-powered vehicles with carburetors and ignition points, but the last vehicle I owned that was like that, was a 1978 model. Not too many of those around any more. It won't work on older mechanical-injection diesels, either. VW diesels through 1993 only need constant battery power to hold the fuel cut-off solenoid energized. They don't care about radio frequency interference. The governor inside the injection pump is totally mechanical, the turbo boost control is totally mechanical. It has electronics in the glow plug controller, but you don't need that once the engine is running.

I suspect that engines that use carburetors and simple electronic ignition might stop running as long as that contraption is giving a signal, but start right up and keep on running the moment the interference signal stops.
 
Aren't radio waves pretty indiscriminate? A powerful transmitter is going to affect non-chase vehicles, possibly damaging the ECUs; power steering and brakes might be disabled too. Sure, cops don't give a sh*t, but the cities will, once the lawsuits start piling up. A weak one would require the police to be awfully close, risking an accident at speed.

Then we have the tech eventually leaking into the idiotsphere, just like laser pointers. Imagine someone gridlocking the entire GTA with a few strategically placed emitters.
 
Aren't radio waves pretty indiscriminate? A powerful transmitter is going to affect non-chase vehicles, possibly damaging the ECUs; power steering and brakes might be disabled too. Sure, cops don't give a sh*t, but the cities will, once the lawsuits start piling up. A weak one would require the police to be awfully close, risking an accident at speed.
Looks to be a directional based emitter/antenna.
 
Then we have the tech eventually leaking into the idiotsphere, just like laser pointers. Imagine someone gridlocking the entire GTA with a few strategically placed emitters.

There have been a few "car hacking" technologies developed. The most recent one was last summer for a hacker conference. I think they were able to use the bluetooth linked entertainment system to get into the canbus and start issuing commands to the ecu. I don't have much of a background on it, but google should 'splain.

It would be more relevant to bikes, but the risk to other vehicles does seem too high for it to be practical. Unless it could be focused into a narrow beam from a helicopter mount, it may become just a future military checkpoint tech.
 
Honestly, I like the idea of tracker bullets better. lol Can't imagine police vans setup at an overpass with the later link device.
 
Looks to be a directional based emitter/antenna.

It is a focused beam.

You cannot shield from this strength of EMP unless you build a Faraday cage around the bike with a dragging ground cable.

If you are stupid enough to try and outrun cops, then figuring out a work around is not an option.

This is miles better than the current method, the police PIT maneuver, which they will do to a bike.
 
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Aren't cars (and many motorcycles, being more conductive aluminum) Faraday cages to start with? It's why cars offer protection in the event of a lighting strike. Unless it's super-powerful, then the argument of the system being precise goes out the window. An additional ECU faraday cage and ground cable sounds like a cheap workaround. TAFB will probably start selling them.

I bet you the first place it gets used is the 407 on ramps.
 
Imagine a squid out running a cop that can actually ride taking a corner knee down, emp goes off, that squid is now going to go wide and probably die.

I can't imagine this kind of technology being good in the hands of cops. Half of them don't even know to use Google.
 
Likely not very useful against bikes (or cars) with carbs (no computer). Might take out the dumb electronic ignition, likely won't. But my guess is they are not too concerned with older stuff.
 
It is a focused beam.

You cannot shield from this strength of EMP unless you build a Faraday cage around the bike with a dragging ground cable.

If you are stupid enough to try and outrun cops, then figuring out a work around is not an option.

This is miles better than the current method, the police PIT maneuver, which they will do to a bike.

Show me an example of police performing a PIT maneuver against a motorcycle.
 
Show me an example of police performing a PIT maneuver against a motorcycle.

My friend has his bike stolen in the mid 90s. It was a $1500 POS. Police found the bike on the road and the guy tried to take off ( on a Virago, please), the PITed him on King Street West. The bike was destroyed, the thief was in hospital with back and leg fractures, they almost killed him. Then the 52 div cops got really upset when he did not want the kid charged, because he felt really bad for what they did to him.
 
Likely not very useful against bikes (or cars) with carbs (no computer). Might take out the dumb electronic ignition, likely won't. But my guess is they are not too concerned with older stuff.

that's probably one of the most stupidest posts on someone who doesn't have a ****en they're talking about.
 

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