Do Status Indians pay taxes?

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Myth #1: Status Indians in Canada do not pay federal or provincial taxes

Reality: This myth is proclaimed frequently, and is presented as a testament that Status Indians in Canada have a massive advantage over other people in Canada.

Federal tax exemptions for Aboriginal People have existed at least since the consolidation of the Indian Act in 1876, but only apply in very specific and limited conditions. Under sections 87 and 90 of the Indian Act, Status Indians do not pay federal or provincial taxes on their personal and real property that is on a reserve. Personal property includes goods, services and income as defined under the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency policies. As income is considered personal property, Status Indians who work on a reserve do not pay federal or provincial taxes on their employment income. However, income earned by Métis and Inuitare not eligible for this exemption, and they generally do not live on reserves; income earned by Status Indians off-reserve is taxable.

The Supreme Court of Canada has concluded that the purpose of this exemption is to preserve the entitlements of Status Indians to their reserve lands and to ensure that the use of their property on their reserve lands is not eroded by taxes.
Section 87 also exempts from the federal Goods and Services Tax (GST) the goods and services bought by Status Indians at businesses located on-reserve. Goods and services purchased off-reserve by Status Indians but delivered to the reserve are also tax exempt. Most provincial sales taxes are similarly applied. In some provinces there are certain exemptions, such as automobiles, which must be registered to an address on a reserve in order to be tax exempt.

The Ontario Example
Prior to Ontario rolling out that province’s GST program, the Ontario government and First Nations leaders worked together to maintain the point of sale exemption. In June 2010, all provincial parties supported a motion in the Ontario legislature calling on the federal government to maintain the current point of sale exemption.

“I am thrilled and our people will be relieved that the point of sale exemption for First Nations will be continued within the HST framework. First Nations have worked tirelessly with Ontario and the federal government to make this a reality. The ability to achieve this reflects the great potential of the government-to-government relationship between Ontario and First Nations.” Angus Toulous, Ontario Regional Chief

Status Indians, Indian bands and band councils in Ontario may purchase most goods or services without paying Retail Services Tax (RST), as long as the goods are for use on the reserve. Services, such as commercial parking, transient accommodation, and telecommunication services, must be provided on the reserve in order to be exempt from RST. To claim an exemption, Status Indians must show vendors their federal “Certificate of Indian Status” identity card. Indian bands and band councils must provide the vendor with a valid Purchase Exemption Certificate (PEC).

In terms of employment, the employment rate among Aboriginal people on-reserve was 52.1 percent in 2001 and 52.2 percent in 2006. In 2006, the median income for Aboriginal peoples was $18,962 – 30 per cent lower than the $27,097 median income for the rest of Canadians. Even if these limited tax exemptions did not exist, most on-reserve Status Indians still do not earn enough in order to be subject to personal income tax. Lower taxes do not equate more freedom or a massive advantage.

Now you know.
 
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Interesting. What is the personal exemption this year anyway? And is it possible for anyone to "emigrate" to First Nations or do you have to somehow prove you're aboriginal?
 
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Now you know.

And I also know that there are members of the six nations who are terrorists and the government of this great nation allow them.

The first nations of this country need to accept reality and stop trying to live in the past. They are a good people that are treated differently just because of their heritage. They will not be able to step up to be a great people until they stop taking the meager handouts given to them by the governments of this land.
 
It's also important to know that retailers are not required to provide the point of sale exemption. If they don't the native may simply keep the receipt and claim the RST back later. I do retail systems and I did the research on this because many clients were worried about what to do if a native came in with their little status card demanding not to pay tax. Let them claim it back later was my answer after confirming the facts with multiple people at rev can.
 
And I also know that there are members of the six nations who are terrorists and the government of this great nation allow them.

The first nations of this country need to accept reality and stop trying to live in the past. They are a good people that are treated differently just because of their heritage. They will not be able to step up to be a great people until they stop taking the meager handouts given to them by the governments of this land.

I would live in the past if I never received the inheritance I should have.

The problem stems from the natives being thought of as ignorant by our forefathers. "Give them a chunk of land to fish and hunt and they'll stay out of our way" It didn't work out that way and now we're trying to unscramble the egg.

It could have been worse (if you compare to the USA) but it should have been better.

I find that all races are about the same intellegence and have similar morals when the various nurturing factors are weeded out.

There is a big problem in that our legal systems including politics is totally different than the native tribal systems.
 
Perhaps the Roman Empire should give back reparations and advantages to all of the countries of Europe. Perhaps the Greeks should do the same. Perhaps the Ottoman Empire should also do that, too, and the Mongols owe much of Asia Minor some money, too. Hmm, come to think of it, Spain owes pretty much all of South America and Central America and the Caribbean countries a lot. Oh, and everyone else who ever defeated their foes and took their land many, many, many, many, many multiple generations before the current iteration of humans who are alive today, who had lost absolutely nothing back then when those events happened.

All these status Indians have to do is set up a corporation on a reserve and call it a consulting operation, and they can set up a corporation anywhere else to which they provide "consulting services" and funnel all the second corp's funds through to the first one (just like any offshore tax avoidance mechanism) and they're pretty much good to go. If that particular structure doesn't work, there are many other creative solutions which when applied give them the advantages they claim to not have.

To qualify as a Status Indian, you need to have 50% Status Indian blood in you. I have a former friend who is a Status Indian, whom I helped obtain his card and watched get exemptions from retail taxes at many retail locations merely by showing his card and filling out some simple paperwork.

Why can my former friend (who is 23 now, and happens to be a Métis, by some freakazoid technicality) obtain an 8% tax exemption while you and I cannot? Is there something he was deprived of since 1989 that the rest of us haven't been, or something? He and his family have never even set foot on a reserve.

"Vae victis"
(Woe to the conquered.)
 
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Interesting. What is the personal exemption this year anyway?


  • Basic Personal Exemption amounts
    2012 Federal Basic Personal Amount $ 10,822
    2012 Provincial Basic Personal Amount $ 9,405
 
To qualify as a Status Indian, you need to have 50% Status Indian blood in you.

Untrue. Blood quantum is used in the US, but not Canada.

Why can my former friend (who is 23 now, and happens to be a Métis, by some freakazoid technicality) obtain an 8% tax exemption while you and I cannot?

If he is not using the purchase "on reserve", he is committing tax fraud.
 
Mind if I ask why this is of importance to you?
 
Someones got an axe to grind.

Lot's of intolerance and bigotry lately...
 
Mind if I ask why this is of importance to you?

Not at all. I brought it up because of Post #46, here..

http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?157783-How-do-YOU-define-a-Canadian/page3

Most Canadians believe that Indian people pay no taxes, and have a huge economic advantage in this country, when the truth is quite the opposite.

No axe to grind, just pointing out some facts most folks don't know.

For instance, did you know that you can't go to the bank for a mortgage if you plan to build on reserve?
I couldn't have bought my first house without a mortgage.
 
Not at all. I brought it up because of Post #46, here..

http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?157783-How-do-YOU-define-a-Canadian/page3

Most Canadians believe that Indian people pay no taxes, and have a huge economic advantage in this country, when the truth is quite the opposite.

No axe to grind, just pointing out some facts most folks don't know.

For instance, did you know that you can't go to the bank for a mortgage if you plan to build on reserve?
I couldn't have bought my first house without a mortgage.

I generally consider the native tax exemption to be an immaterial amount. So I agree with you.

Some reserves are now talking about the ability to "own" the land by indivduals. That might change the mortgage rule.
 
To qualify as a Status Indian, you need to have 50% Status Indian blood in you.

Untrue. Blood quantum is used in the US, but not Canada.

Not that I care too much, but he and his multi-generational family go by this. My former friend's children would be exempt from having status, unless he breeds with another Indian. That's what he and his father and his grandfather all subscribe to. It's possible they're wrong, but I suspect they know more about this than you or I.

I do hope he fails to breed, to be honest. Problem solved.
 
Not at all. I brought it up because of Post #46, here..

http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?157783-How-do-YOU-define-a-Canadian/page3

Most Canadians believe that Indian people pay no taxes, and have a huge economic advantage in this country, when the truth is quite the opposite.

No axe to grind, just pointing out some facts most folks don't know.

For instance, did you know that you can't go to the bank for a mortgage if you plan to build on reserve?
I couldn't have bought my first house without a mortgage.

I was talking to a native businessman just outside of Caledonia. He built off the reservation because on the reservation he couldn't own the land. Without the land the mortgage is tough to reclaim if in default. Also there is a limited number of buyers. Can't blame the banks IMO. It's the conflict in European / Native cultures, laws and systems.
 
Not that I care too much, but he and his multi-generational family go by this. My former friend's children would be exempt from having status, unless he breeds with another Indian. That's what he and his father and his grandfather all subscribe to. It's possible they're wrong, but I suspect they know more about this than you or I.

I fully understand the confusion, and it happens all the time. Blood quantum is not used in Canada, but is in the US..

This can affect attempts live or work in the US without a green card or work permit.


  • United States Immigration and Naturalization laws require that First Nations persons born in-Canada have at least 50 percent Aboriginal blood quantum to enter the United States to live or work without a green card or work permit.

    Canadian law is different in that registration as an Indian under the provisions of the Indian Act is not based on percentage of Indian blood quantum.

    As such, United States Immigration and Naturalization usually requests that an individual provide a letter of blood quantum from his or her First Nation or a letter from an AANDC office verifying an individual's Indian ancestry. For further information visit the Embassy of the United States website.
 
That seems like the source is US-based. Can you provide evidence for the claims made on the Canadian side?
 
Some reserves are now talking about the ability to "own" the land by indivduals. That might change the mortgage rule.

Interesting. Based on what I know of the Indian Act (I am no expert), I wouldn't expect mortgages to change.

Although many Aboriginal people believe that reserves are legally their property, the Indian Act states that the title to reserves is vested with the Crown. This legal relationship with the federal government concerns Aboriginal people, who believe that the status of Aboriginal lands is in jeopardy as long as legal title remains outside the control of Aboriginal people. The Indian Act forbids the "surrender" and sale of reserve land by an Aboriginal person or a band to anyone other than the Crown.
 
Interesting. Based on what I know of the Indian Act (I am no expert), I wouldn't expect mortgages to change.

Although many Aboriginal people believe that reserves are legally their property, the Indian Act states that the title to reserves is vested with the Crown. This legal relationship with the federal government concerns Aboriginal people, who believe that the status of Aboriginal lands is in jeopardy as long as legal title remains outside the control of Aboriginal people. The Indian Act forbids the "surrender" and sale of reserve land by an Aboriginal person or a band to anyone other than the Crown.

Yeah I remember just watching something that talked about a concept similar to deeds, still has a restriction on the resale of land, but for the most part you own it. That being said I am no expert either.
 
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