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Do I need a new tire after a flat?

Norcorider

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On the way to Niagara, my rear tire picked up a screw while we were pulling into a gas station. Tire was completely flat. Luckily, one of my buddies had a repair kit and we plugged in the tire. Pumped it up and continued riding for the rest of the day and checked after a couple of hours, tire had lost a few psi. But otherwise the plug is holding good.

Question: can the tire be permanently patched by a bike mechanic or will I still need a new tire?

Seems wasteful to me to buy a new tire every time I get a flat on a bike; car tires work fine after patching.
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As long as the patch isn't on the sidewall, or the hole isn't a gash, it should hold up fine. I've patched many tires before and they've always held up the entire life of the tread.

Got a hole in a tire that had less than 200 kms on it which was a real kick in the nuts. 12K later, the tread was worn, but the patch still held.
 
Especially on a rear I have used a string plug from the outside with no issues.

If you're down a few psi after a few hours, the string isnt in properly. Sometimes inheat them with a lighter or torch before I put them in and that normally makes patch permanent.
 
Not sure what they used to patch it but yeah a string plug should last the life of the tire tread. It self vulcanizes as the tire heats during riding.
I have added a second string when i had a slow leak from the first ...( didn't really know what I was doing ). But get good stuff instead of paying a mechanic. Tires are tough so strong tools are needed not a cheapo kit. Mushroom kits are junk IMNSHO.
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This is likely okay ...there are cheaper but those tools look strong.
Has no cement with it but I've done repairs without. I do think the proper cement helps.
I just keep the tools and a few strings under the seat without the case. There are lots of smal compressors around too.

This is where a small TMPS is useful too to keep an eye on it.
I use one like this
But have seen them cheaper.
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The mount is awful but the unit works I just keep it in the tank bag and check once in a while. Charges easily and holds a long time. The batteries in the senders also last. Had this for a year without issue tho mount broke.
With gas prices so high keeping the tires up near the top end of recommended helps.
 
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Not sure what they used to patch it but yeah a string plug should last the life of the tire tread. It self vulcanizes as the tire heats during riding.
I have added a second string when i had a slow leak from the first ...( didn't really know what I was doing ). But get good stuff instead of paying a mechanic. Tires are tough so strong tools are needed not a cheapo kit. Mushroom kits are junk IMNSHO.
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This is likely okay ...there are cheaper but those tools look strong.
Has no cement with it but I've done repairs without. I do think the proper cement helps.
I just keep the tools and a few strings under the seat without the case. There are lots of smal compressors around too.

This is where a small TMPS is useful too to keep an eye on it.
I use one like this
But have seen them cheaper.
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The mount is awful but the unit works I just keep it in the tank bag and check once in a while. Charges easily and holds a long time. The batteries in the senders also last. Had this for a year without issue tho mount broke.
With gas prices so high keeping the tires up near the top end of recommended helps.
Any recommendations on tire inflators? I got lucky this time as we were at the gas station , so we could pump up the tire after plugging it.
I always carry CO2 cartridges on my bicycle when I go long ride as flats on those skinny tires are very common. Do they work on motorcycle tires?
 
This seems okay by the reviews and lithium batteries last. Flashlight useful too.

 
Any recommendations on tire inflators? I got lucky this time as we were at the gas station , so we could pump up the tire after plugging it.
I always carry CO2 cartridges on my bicycle when I go long ride as flats on those skinny tires are very common. Do they work on motorcycle tires?
Two or three C02 cartridges should get a motorcycle tire good enough to get to a pump. Take it easy. If you didn't get the plug right, you could be stuck a few miles down the road as the c02 leaks out and you don't have anymore cartidges.
 
Any recommendations on tire inflators? I got lucky this time as we were at the gas station , so we could pump up the tire after plugging it.
I always carry CO2 cartridges on my bicycle when I go long ride as flats on those skinny tires are very common. Do they work on motorcycle tires?

The problem with CO2 cartridges, as GG mentioned, is that you may to bring a few of them in case you flub up the patch or have problems with the cartridge themselves. One of our riding buddies brought 3 cartridges and got a flat. He emptied one cartridge into the atmosphere because he didn't seat the cartridge right on the valve stem. The other two cartridges were insufficient to inflate the tire.

Depending on how large your tire is, it may take between 6-10 16g cartridges to inflate a streetbike rear to over 30 psi. A dirtbike tire may only need 3-4 cartridges to get to 15 psi, which is enough to get home if you have a rim-lock. However, the rear tire on my streetbike calls for 42 psi and would need close to 20 cartridges to get to the manufacturer's recommended pressure.

While a single 16g cartridge is small enough, this is what a box of 20 cartridges look like.

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Not as compact if you want to be self-sufficient on the road.

If I was using cartridges on a street-bike, I'd probably only use the minimum amount to fill it up so its was rideable to a gas station, but if you're far from civilization, then a pump or compressor is your better bet. I have a small Anti-Gravity compressor that fits in the palm of my hand. I'd estimate it's about the size of that box of 20 CO2 cartridges above, and it's multi-use instead of single-use, so this is the better option for me.

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The drawback to a compressor is that you need to get access to the bike's battery to use the compressor, or you need to pre-wire a 12V SAE pigtail or cigarette lighter/powerlet outlet to power the compressor. Most newer bikes already have a pigtail pre-wired for trickle chargers, you just need to make sure the fuse and the gauge of the wire on the pigtail is rated high enough to handle the amperage draw of the compressor. Most compressors draw between 10-15A.

The compressors can get pretty compact, but the smaller the unit, the more time it takes to inflate a tire to the recommended pressure. And the smaller units also tend to overheat quicker, which means you might have to shut it off to allow it time to cool off, extending your inflation time.

If you don't want to mess with batteries and electricity, then a manual pump is your go-to. We use this one for dirt-biking, a Topeak Road Morph G:

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Ideal for smaller tires, it only takes 40-50 pumps to get a dirtbike rear tire from flat to about 25 psi. Also small enough to carry inside a hydration backpack.

TLDR:

CO2 cartridges
Pros: don't need any setup or pre-wiring
Cons: single use, may need to carry a lot of cartridges which means it could get bulky, use gloves when inflating - cartridges get freezing cold

Compressor
Pros: multi-use, can be compact, don't need manual labour to pump
Cons: needs a 12V source, the smaller the compressor, the longer it takes to inflate the tire, smaller units may overheat if left on for a long time and may need to be shut off to cool down.

Manual pump
Pros: multi-use, don't need any setup or pre-wiring, compact to carry
Cons: needs manual labour to pump, might take a long time and lots of elbow grease to inflate a larger rear tire
 
The problem with CO2 cartridges, as GG mentioned, is that you may to bring a few of them in case you flub up the patch or have problems with the cartridge themselves. One of our riding buddies brought 3 cartridges and got a flat. He emptied one cartridge into the atmosphere because he didn't seat the cartridge right on the valve stem. The other two cartridges were insufficient to inflate the tire.

Depending on how large your tire is, it may take between 6-10 16g cartridges to inflate a streetbike rear to over 30 psi. A dirtbike tire may only need 3-4 cartridges to get to 15 psi, which is enough to get home if you have a rim-lock. However, the rear tire on my streetbike calls for 42 psi and would need close to 20 cartridges to get to the manufacturer's recommended pressure.

While a single 16g cartridge is small enough, this is what a box of 20 cartridges look like.

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Not as compact if you want to be self-sufficient on the road.

If I was using cartridges on a street-bike, I'd probably only use the minimum amount to fill it up so its was rideable to a gas station, but if you're far from civilization, then a pump or compressor is your better bet. I have a small Anti-Gravity compressor that fits in the palm of my hand. I'd estimate it's about the size of that box of 20 CO2 cartridges above, and it's multi-use instead of single-use, so this is the better option for me.

IMG_20220605_114655-XL.jpg



The drawback to a compressor is that you need to get access to the bike's battery to use the compressor, or you need to pre-wire a 12V SAE pigtail or cigarette lighter/powerlet outlet to power the compressor. Most newer bikes already have a pigtail pre-wired for trickle chargers, you just need to make sure the fuse and the gauge of the wire on the pigtail is rated high enough to handle the amperage draw of the compressor. Most compressors draw between 10-15A.

The compressors can get pretty compact, but the smaller the unit, the more time it takes to inflate a tire to the recommended pressure. And the smaller units also tend to overheat quicker, which means you might have to shut it off to allow it time to cool off, extending your inflation time.

If you don't want to mess with batteries and electricity, then a manual pump is your go-to. We use this one for dirt-biking, a Topeak Road Morph G:

IMG_20220605_114734-XL.jpg



Ideal for smaller tires, it only takes 40-50 pumps to get a dirtbike rear tire from flat to about 25 psi. Also small enough to carry inside a hydration backpack.

TLDR:

CO2 cartridges
Pros: don't need any setup or pre-wiring
Cons: single use, may need to carry a lot of cartridges which means it could get bulky, use gloves when inflating - cartridges get freezing cold

Compressor
Pros: multi-use, can be compact, don't need manual labour to pump
Cons: needs a 12V source, the smaller the compressor, the longer it takes to inflate the tire, smaller units may overheat if left on for a long time and may need to be shut off to cool down.

Manual pump
Pros: multi-use, don't need any setup or pre-wiring, compact to carry
Cons: needs manual labour to pump, might take a long time and lots of elbow grease to inflate a larger rear tire
Wildcard option as I havent seen it but it should work is pull a spark plug and fuel pump fuse and use a hose with check valve. Large swept volume so it should be fast. I would think starter would do it occasionally without getting too angry. Definitely something I would try at home before relying on it in the field.
 
Wildcard option as I havent seen it but it should work is pull a spark plug and fuel pump fuse and use a hose with check valve. Large swept volume so it should be fast. I would think starter would do it occasionally without getting too angry. Definitely something I would try at home before relying on it in the field.
We had one of these when I was a kid. It was useful on the tractors and trucks on the farm because spark plugs were easily accessed.

As for using it on a motorbike, the last bike I had that I could even see the spark plugs was my '87 K100RS that I sold in 2005. To access the plugs on every bike since requires major disassembly.

As a matter of fact, the K100 came with a tire repair kit in the tool roll. It was CO2 based and I used it once on a Sunday night.

I can access the plugs on my Norton commando, and I guess one could pull both to make kicking easier when inflating a tire.
 
Most shops won't do an external repair on a tubeless tire, mainly because of their liability if something goes wrong down the road.
What you do on your own is an entirely different issue. There are radial tubes that could be used on a cast wheel I suppose, but if you're going through the hassle you might just as well use an internal mushroom style patch or replace the tire. In any event, monitor tire pressures for a while to insure that you don't still have a slow leak.
Spoke wheels with conventional tires and tubes is another matter entirely. A spare tube and/or bicycle style patch kit with some tire levers and a small hand pump will work to get you to where you can make a permanent repair.
 
My personal record is 3 mushroom plugs in one rear tire. That tire was cursed.
I always remove the tire.......sand the area on the inside where the hole is, and patch with mushroom plugs from the princess. I've done close to 10. Never had a leak or failure *knocking on wood*.
 
My personal record is 3 mushroom plugs in one rear tire. That tire was cursed.
I always remove the tire.......sand the area on the inside where the hole is, and patch with mushroom plugs from the princess. I've done close to 10. Never had a leak or failure *knocking on wood*.
Damn. Mushroom from the inside is no doubt better but I don't have the tools or skills to quickly swap motorbike tires. String plugs for me.
 
Damn. Mushroom from the inside is no doubt better but I don't have the tools or skills to quickly swap motorbike tires. String plugs for me.
A bead breaker, three spoons, some soapy water and a ton of grunting & groaning works every time. But at my age, I need an assistant lately, especially for those GT tires, and harley dunlops.
 
Couple weeks ago, my wheelbarrow tire needed a new tube. That f'n thing put up more of a fight than any motorcycle tire I've swapped.....no lie.
 
Couple weeks ago, my wheelbarrow tire needed a new tube. That f'n thing put up more of a fight than any motorcycle tire I've swapped.....no lie.
Last non-bicycle tire I tried was a 10" trailer tire. Bleeping bleep bleep. Pinched the new tube on the way in and wrecked it. Threw the whole thing in the garbage and bought a new wheel and tire. That's the way to go with those things.
 
Thanks folks, so this weekend's flat was my first on a motorcycle. It's actually good I got it (kinda) as me and buddies are going on a week long Gaspe trip end of July and it gave us a chance to practice fixing a flat while on a road. We went through all the suggestions and comments, and we decided to carry 2 air compressors with us and strip plug tire repair kits.

I still have a slow leak, I am going to try Macdoc's suggestion and try plugging it again with a strip. I will also call Adrian from ace moto to see if he can ( and willing ) to patch it from inside. Though my tire is squaring off in the centre, I think I could still get a Gaspe trip out of it (around 4k). Worst case, I will get a new tire.

Good suggestions from everyone, thanks a lot!
 
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