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Dirty tactic by police, maybe, maybe not?

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Was waiting at a red light doing my usual thing, you know looking here and there. I see a car approach behind me and then he/she changes mind and pulls up beside me instead. That's cool. I see it is a black charger. light turns green and I start rolling and so does the car.

Then we stop at another red light. Now when the light turns green I take off (within speed limit) but this charger is very slow initially and suddenly guns it and passes me very fast. I was like wow!! I was about to say 'damn that was fast' when a bimmer also passes me very fast and now I am saying ok these guys must be racing or something.

After about 3 km or so I see the charger's lights flashing and the bimmer pulled over, lol. The charger was an undercover!

Now was he trying to get me to race him or something, I don't know? But one thing is for sure that the bimmer guy was a complete idiot, hahahhaha. After I saw the bimmer pulled over I just couldn't stop laughing. It might be mean but hahahahahahhaha....
 
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Don't really think this was funny...:confused:
 
If you or him was charged it would get thrown out, that's entrapment

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2motors said:
If you or him was charged you're toast, that's street racing

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Cops in a black charger. Never seen that before. Anyone dumb enough to engage in a "race" with one who can't tell it's a cop deserves the ticket.

And as said above... stop watching us TV. You can and will be charged with racing for that and no it will not be thrown out in court. Not everything you read on the internets is fact :rolleyes:
 
Nobody drives late model American cars except people who work for the government in one way or another, and even if that weren't true, someone who drives one has already broadcast their history of poor decision making. Either way, not someone you want to be anywhere near at speed.
 
"entrapment" does exist in Canada as a defense, but the cops would literally have to race up behind you and get so close (without provocation) honking the horn or flashing their lights in a way that made you feel your personal safety was compromised and you had to speed away to protect yourself. That IS entrapment. When you are forced into a situation where you have no reasonable means to avoid committing a crime based on the actions of an agent of the state (i.e. a cop)

If you're on a sportbike and a cop revs his engine at a light and takes off and you follow, that is NOT entrapment. You being on a sportbike is reason enough for him to suspect you may want to engage in illegal activity.. and by racing after him, you are willingly doing so, therefor NOT entrapment

At least that is my understanding of the law.
 
Cool Story, Brah.

Police everywhere use whatever tactics they feel work--it's up to the courts to prevent them if illegal. Even then they're more likely to issue recommendations after some retired judge writes up a doorstop report.

Think about it this way: someone driving a newish American muscle-sedan or SUV with heavily tinted windows is most likely an aggressive meathead or an undercover cop. Do you want to be near either possibility? No, you do not. If you want to race, do it where people give a damn about who wins--at the track.
 
Re: Cool Story, Brah.

anytime a police officer encourages or promotes committing a crime is entrapment.

A bait car is entrapment. The police encourage or entice a civilian to steal the car when they otherwise wouldn't, had the police not placed an unlocked car with the keys in the ignition.

If an officer encourages someone to race of the line, not only is that entrapment, but the officer is guilty of 172 themselves. Officers can speed, and ignore hta rules, only if they are actively engaged in police work. That's only when they are going somewhere. (scene of a crime, or chasing after someone.) They also have to have their lights on in order to do this. Encouraging someone to commit a crime is not police work. Committing a crime in order to witness someone committing a crime is not police work.


That being said cops can do whatever they want, it's up to you to prove in court what they did was illegal.
 
Re: Cool Story, Brah.

I had to work late one night, got off at probably 9pm or so. Big line of traffic sitting in the left lane at a red light but the right lane is empty (two lanes each direction). I pull up to the light beside a black dodge charger. My lane ends about 300 meters from the lights (map: http://goo.gl/gf11Pz ). The exhaust was pretty loud on my car so I guess he heard it, he revved up his engine. I gave him a chirp of the supercharger and a couple purges on my nitrous but he still kept revving so I'm like, ok, lets go. Light goes green, I get a horrible launch, just smoke up my tires, nitrous is disabled because TC is active, great. I look stupid, but once my tires grip it pulls hard and I'm catching back up. We're coming up to a curve and I'm not really sure how fast I'm going or how well my car is going to handle the curve at these speeds, then the charger comes up on a car or two of traffic, TURNS ON HIS POLICE LIGHTS to get them to move over then speeds off!

I was like "wow, just dodged one there! :( ". About 5 mins down the road I come up to the walmart intersection, same thing, lots of traffic in the left lane, none in the right ( http://goo.gl/QFu0IX ), so I pull into the right lane, stop at the red light. Guess who I'm stopped beside?? wow :( I try and stare straight ahead and he's honking his horn and yelling out the window. I look over, he's giving me the motion to roll down my window so I do...

Cop: "Goes pretty fast eh?" ... "yeah, I guess so?" ... "I just got it!" ... "Yeah, I can tell!" ... "GREEN LIGHT!" squeals his tires as he takes off through the intersection...
 
What I get from this thread is, police can race but we can't
 
Re: Cool Story, Brah.

I guess your interpretation, of these cases are better informed than those of the justices who sit on the Supreme Court of Canada. But hey your the legal expert..lol

As has been establish "entrapment" is a USA based situation. If the police leave the keys in an unlocked car and someone steals it, then they have committed the act the Police, (as per the Supreme Court of Canada) did not "entrap" that person as the person still had "free will" to not commit the offence. Now if an undercover officer "coerced" of in any fashion "actively prompted" the person into stealing the car, (stood beside the perp in plain clothes and said "hey you have to steal this car or I will give you $50 to steal this car"), then the case would be tossed.

Just as a Police officer can "engage" in a conversation with a suspected hooker or a john, but they can't "lead" the discussion. They can only say things like "what are you looking for today" or "are you working or dating today"

Now this case could be iffy, if the officer exceeded the posted limit, or he squealed his tires etc. Much the same as they place bait cars in high risk areas, he observed the bike and the BMW and determined, they were at a high risk to offend, Not much different then where they place the bait car, (where people are most likely to offend). That is why you won't see bait cars generally in Forest Hill or on the Bridal Path..lmao

dasiffy said:
anytime a police officer encourages or promotes committing a crime is entrapment.

A bait car is entrapment. The police encourage or entice a civilian to steal the car when they otherwise wouldn't, had the police not placed an unlocked car with the keys in the ignition.

If an officer encourages someone to race of the line, not only is that entrapment, but the officer is guilty of 172 themselves. Officers can speed, and ignore hta rules, only if they are actively engaged in police work. That's only when they are going somewhere. (scene of a crime, or chasing after someone.) They also have to have their lights on in order to do this. Encouraging someone to commit a crime is not police work. Committing a crime in order to witness someone committing a crime is not police work.


That being said cops can do whatever they want, it's up to you to prove in court what they did was illegal.
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Re: Cool Story, Brah.

hedo2002 said:
I guess your interpretation, of these cases are better informed than those of the justices who sit on the Supreme Court of Canada. But hey your the legal expert..lol

As has been establish "entrapment" is a USA based situation. If the police leave the keys in an unlocked car and someone steals it, then they have committed the act the Police, (as per the Supreme Court of Canada) did not "entrap" that person as the person still had "free will" to not commit the offence. Now if an undercover officer "coerced" of in any fashion "actively prompted" the person into stealing the car, (stood beside the perp in plain clothes and said "hey you have to steal this car or I will give you $50 to steal this car"), then the case would be tossed.

Just as a Police officer can "engage" in a conversation with a suspected hooker or a john, but they can't "lead" the discussion. They can only say things like "what are you looking for today" or "are you working or dating today"

Now this case could be iffy, if the officer exceeded the posted limit, or he squealed his tires etc. Much the same as they place bait cars in high risk areas, he observed the bike and the BMW and determined, they were at a high risk to offend, Not much different then where they place the bait car, (where people are most likely to offend). That is why you won't see bait cars generally in Forest Hill or on the Bridal Path..lmao
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This. Stealing is stealing, it's a criminal offence. Whether or not someone left their keys in the ignition, car running, with a neon sign on the top saying steal me! It is NOT your vehicle, therefore taking it for a drive without the owners consent is theft. A friend of mine actually had his truck stolen, and thought his insurance wouldn't cover it because he left his keys in the ignition over night; not the case.
 
Re: Cool Story, Brah.

johnscruiser said:
I had to work late one night, got off at probably 9pm or so. Big line of traffic sitting in the left lane at a red light but the right lane is empty (two lanes each direction). I pull up to the light beside a black dodge charger. My lane ends about 300 meters from the lights (map: http://goo.gl/gf11Pz ). The exhaust was pretty loud on my car so I guess he heard it, he revved up his engine. I gave him a chirp of the supercharger and a couple purges on my nitrous but he still kept revving so I'm like, ok, lets go. Light goes green, I get a horrible launch, just smoke up my tires, nitrous is disabled because TC is active, great. I look stupid, but once my tires grip it pulls hard and I'm catching back up. We're coming up to a curve and I'm not really sure how fast I'm going or how well my car is going to handle the curve at these speeds, then the charger comes up on a car or two of traffic, TURNS ON HIS POLICE LIGHTS to get them to move over then speeds off!

I was like "wow, just dodged one there! :( ". About 5 mins down the road I come up to the walmart intersection, same thing, lots of traffic in the left lane, none in the right ( http://goo.gl/QFu0IX ), so I pull into the right lane, stop at the red light. Guess who I'm stopped beside?? wow :( I try and stare straight ahead and he's honking his horn and yelling out the window. I look over, he's giving me the motion to roll down my window so I do...

Cop: "Goes pretty fast eh?" ... "yeah, I guess so?" ... "I just got it!" ... "Yeah, I can tell!" ... "GREEN LIGHT!" squeals his tires as he takes off through the intersection...
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Great story.
Can see this possible in a county. Not around GTA.
 
Re: Cool Story, Brah.

AL3RT said:
Great story.
Can see this possible in a county. Not around GTA.
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Look at the Youtube Video of the USA bike cop who had a sport bike pull up next to him the sport rider says want to race and laughs the light turns green the copper goes hard for a few hundred feet. He was fired. If I remember correctly though the public complained and he was reinstated, but disciplined.

Hell, I remember pulling up to a light at 3 am and there was a cruiser from a neighboring jurisdiction, sitting there when the light changed we lit up both units for about 2 km's.. BUT there were no video camera or even cell phones back then. If someone wanted to complain they would have had to report it using either one of those now extinct pay phones, or write a letter, (there was no email then either)..Oh the humanity..lmao
 
Re: Cool Story, Brah.



Hmmmm ?? Yah, OK. :rolleyes:
 
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