Contour HD vs. Replay XD1080

Rob MacLennan

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Thought that I'd post this, on the off chance that anyone was interested. A while back I had both the Contour HD and the Replay XD1080 mounted on my bike during the trip to work in the dark, and the trip home facing into the sun. It makes for an interesting comparison of the video from each camera as you can compare the auto white balance, auto light levelling, barrel distortion, etc.. Ignore the sound, as it's a mash-up of all four videos, and just jump around to whatever scene and lighting combination gives you what you want to see.

[video=youtube;XWCsC3v_Juo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWCsC3v_Juo[/video]
 
Looks like Replay wins hand down. What are the cost comparisons?
 
The Replay ($300.00) is roughly double what I paid for a Contour HD ($155.00), plus tax and shipping. It's also a metal case, with O-ring seals, whereas the Contour requires a waterproof case. Not that I'd really want to have the Replay out in a downpour, but there have been no ill effects from light to middling rainfall.

One of the car magazines has a video in which they compare The Replay, GoPro, Contour, and Drift, but I'm having trouble finding it again. In that test the Replay won 3 out of 4 tests, with the GoPro winning for wind noise reduction.

*EDIT* Of course right after I said that, I found it :lol:

[video=youtube;GgWSDugKU0k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgWSDugKU0k[/video]
 
IMO the Replay sounded better than the GoPro. It also seems to have a norrower field of view than the others, which I prefer (except the Contour).
 
IMO the Replay sounded better than the GoPro. It also seems to have a norrower field of view than the others, which I prefer (except the Contour).

A lot of these cameras go for an ultra-wide field of view, at the expense of barrel effect in the image. The Hero 2, in some modes, will give you a 170 degree field of view but with pronounced barrel distortion. I don't need ultra-wide. Wide is good enough for me and 135 degrees at 720p, or 110 degrees at 1080p, is plenty wide enough for me.

Think about it this way; at 110 degrees you could put the camera in the corner of a room and see the entire room.
 
I wonder what a 170 degrees translates into in 35mm equivalent nomenclature?

But yeah, I got the GoPro 2 in part because it listed selectable fields of view, but when I tried them the quality was pretty poor. I realised that they have to digitally zoom in to narrow the FOV since there's no zoom lens on the thing, and then they have to stretch the image to fit into the 1080p frame which is where it starts to get lossy (if I'm using that term correctly).

So I'm thinking these cameras all have a 'native resolution' like a monitor, and anything outside their native resolution is a compromise in image quality.

Not sure if any of my terminology or point of view makes sense because I haven't seen anyone else talk about these cameras this way, yet these issues should be very important to know when buying a camera.
 
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I wonder what a 170 degrees translates into in 35mm equivalent nomenclature?

But yeah, I got the GoPro 2 in part because it listed selectable fields of view, but when I tried them the quality was pretty poor. I realised that they have to digitally zoom in to narrow the FOV since there's no zoom lens on the thing, and then they have to stretch the image to fit into the 1080p frame which is where it starts to get lossy (if I'm using that term correctly).

So I'm thinking these cameras all have a 'native resolution' like a monitor, and anything outside their native resolution is a compromise in image quality.

It would be some ridiculously small number, on 35mm. I plugged 1mm into this calculator and got pretty close. I've got a 9-18mm lens for my Olympus DSLRs (50% crop), which at 9mm has a 100 degree field of view.

*EDIT* Canon lists a fisheye, with 180 degree field of view, at 8mm. Just two millimetres more, at 10mm, is a 107 degree field of view.

The smaller the sensor, for a given lens size, the larger the focal length you can use in order to get the same angle of view. That's why they get wider viewing angles at lower resolutions; they're cropping the sensor. So yes, they're using fewer pixels to generate the image.
 
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The smaller the sensor, for a given lens size, the larger the focal length you can use in order to get the same angle of view. That's why they get wider viewing angles at lower resolutions; they're cropping the sensor. So yes, they're using fewer pixels to generate the image.

I don't understand, aren't lens sized by their focal length?

Also, the lower resolutions offer the same 170 deg. FOV on the GoPro. Did you mean "That's HOW they get wider viewing angles..."? And even so that doesn't make sense to me; how do you possibly get a wider FOV by cropping the sensor?!?
 
The Replay XD1080 looks like a cool little camera but I can't see as being a good first camera. It would be a great backup or second camera. I can see a bunch of advantages like the size, FOV and image quality but the disadvantages out-weight the advantages.

Disadvantages I see:
Non-replaceable battery
No way to aim the camera (laser or LCD screen)
No standard 1/4-20 thread to use regular tripods
uses micro-SD
Doesn't look like there's a way to delete just one file off the SD card
remote control is always nice

There's no camera out there that is perfect.


Here's a review of the Replay XD1080
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-video-camera-reviews/replay-xd-1080/
 
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I don't understand, aren't lens sized by their focal length?

Also, the lower resolutions offer the same 170 deg. FOV on the GoPro. Did you mean "That's HOW they get wider viewing angles..."? And even so that doesn't make sense to me; how do you possibly get a wider FOV by cropping the sensor?!?

Yes, lenses are sized by their focal length. I can only assume that calculator assumed a set diameter of lens.

Yes, that's how they get wider angles. When you crop an existing sensor, using only a portion in the centre of it, think about what that does to the angle between the edge of the portion of the sensor, that's doing the capturing, and the outer edge of the lens.

The Replay XD1080 looks like a cool little camera but I can't see as being a good first camera. It would be a great backup or second camera. I can see a bunch of advantages like the size, FOV and image quality but the disadvantages out-weight the advantages.

Disadvantages I see:
Non-replaceable battery
No way to aim the camera (laser or LCD screen)
No standard 1/4-20 thread to use regular tripods
uses micro-SD
Doesn't look like there's a way to delete just one file off the SD card
remote control is always nice

There's no camera out there that is perfect.


Here's a review of the Replay XD1080
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-video-camera-reviews/replay-xd-1080/

I agree that the lack of a replaceable battery is a weak point. It's one of the limitations, that comes with the size and form factor. I've been told that they are developing a USB cable connection for it, that can be used for constant power. Or I could buy an extra end cap and cable, then machine one up myself. Weather resistant USB power connectors are about $7.00, at Princess Auto.

*EDIT* Correction: They've now added the hard-wired power option, for the Replay XD1080, to their accessories list. http://replayxd.com/product/xd1080-hardwire-car-adapter-with-audio-in-4-meter/

The camera has a built-in HDMI output, so it can be aimed by live viewing the output via any screen capable of HDMI input, like a widescreen TV. I've done this. It makes getting the angle right, when mounted to a helmet, a trivial exercise. The HDMI connection also has additional possible benefits such as being able to use commercially available HDMI external microphones or even HDMI transmitters, for live reception.

Yes, there is no standard threading for a tripod. If you want to use a tripod, then you can attach one of the plastic mount shoes to a quick release plate.

It isn't the only camera using Micro-SD. The same can be said of the Contour and even the Drift uses Micro-SD, despite it's larger physical size. It's a necessity, when you make a smaller camera, and Micro-SD is becoming more common.

You can delete just one file off the card but it requires connecting the camera to a computer, or removing the card and putting it into a reader. Both a Micro-SD card reader and a Micro-SD to SD adapter are included in the kit. The camera is set up to record files that are 1/2 hour long and starts a new file, after that time, without missing a frame. At first I didn't like it, but I've come to appreciate that feature.

Remote control is nice, but not necessary for my application. I'd never use it.

No, there's no camera out there that's perfect, but I can live with the compromises that I make when using the Replay XD1080.
 
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It isn't the only camera using Micro-SD. The same can be said of the Contour and even the Drift uses Micro-SD, despite it's larger physical size. It's a necessity, when you make a smaller camera, and Micro-SD is becoming more common.

The DRIFT doesn't use microSD... The DriftHD does. My Drift HD170 takes SD cards.
 
found this for the replay: http://replayxd.com/product/xd1080-hardwire-car-adapter-with-audio-in-4-meter/

little steep @ $60, but takes care of the battery issue, and provides a mic in jack.

Still like the idea of the Contour using your smartphone as a viewfinder for setting up/reviewing video.

Yeah, I edited my post to add a link to that. It wasn't there yesterday and was supposed to be released prior to Christmas, according to what the Replay folks had told me.

The idea of using a smarthpone as a viewer is definitely a good one, but requires an additional card that isn't included. One of the usual suspects around the track bought one, and the extra card, but returned the lot when he couldn't figure it out. I wish that he had managed to get it going, because it was definitely an interesting setup.
 
Splash, I'm reading that review you posted and they make reference to not understanding how you make manual adjustments, to various settings. It's done with a file, that's stored on the card. You edit it to show the options you want, change the "update" option to "Y", and then just turn the camera on to make it read the update. It's also how you set the time and date. Here are the contents of the file, from one of my cameras:

Type:RePlay XD

Version:XD 1080 V0.37

UPDATE:N

FORMAT
BR:M
EV:0
SHRP:3
AE:C
AWB:2
CTST:64
SAT:75
MIC:33
FPS:60
DT:2012/02/03 11:12:17
-------------------------------
Bitrate(BR)
(H)High
(M)Medium
(L)Low
Exposure(EV)
-4 ~ 4
Sharpness(SHRP)
1 ~ 5
Auto Exposure(AE)
(C)Center
(A)Average
(S)Spot
Automatic White Balance(AWB)
0 ~ 8
Contrast(CTST)
1 ~ 255
Saturation(SAT)
0 ~ 127
Microphone Gain(MIC)
0 ~ 59dB
Frame Rate(FPS)
(50)25/50fps
(60)30/60fps
Date and Time(DT)
YYYY/MM/DD hh:mm:ss
YYYY : 2011 - 2038
MM : 01 - 12
DD : 01 - 31
 
Well to me that's worse then, because they aren't consistent.
how's that worst? It's 2 different product? You do know the DriftHD and the DriftHD170 are 2 different product right?


Splash, I'm reading that review you posted and they make reference to not understanding how you make manual adjustments, to various settings.

Ya I noticed that... It's at the end of the review in the comments. Still can't make the changes on the fly. I don't usually carry a laptop or a HDTV (for aiming) with me on day trips.
 
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how's that worst? It's 2 different product? You do know the DriftHD and the DriftHD170 are 2 different product right?

Worse, not worst. i know that they are different products, but they are from the same manufacturer. There should be consistency, where the media used is concerned.
 
Worse, not worst. i know that they are different products, but they are from the same manufacturer. There should be consistency, where the media used is concerned.

I disagree... I won't buy a DriftHD because it has a microSD... I'd by another HD170 though. Different market.
 
The Replay ($300.00) is roughly double what I paid for a Contour HD ($155.00), plus tax and shipping. It's also a metal case, with O-ring seals, whereas the Contour requires a waterproof case. Not that I'd really want to have the Replay out in a downpour, but there have been no ill effects from light to middling rainfall.

One of the car magazines has a video in which they compare The Replay, GoPro, Contour, and Drift, but I'm having trouble finding it again. In that test the Replay won 3 out of 4 tests, with the GoPro winning for wind noise reduction.

*EDIT* Of course right after I said that, I found it :lol:

[video=youtube;GgWSDugKU0k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgWSDugKU0k[/video]

here is another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwdqncgBhAM&feature=related

think i found my camera after all
 
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