Was riding today, I was making a left turn at an intersection, was going about 60 70km/h started the turn about half way through, I lowsided. I didn't touch the brakes, no gravel or sand on the road, I was thinking cold tires, but I just got off the highway after being on it for about 15 min. I'm ok, was surprised at the amount of people who stopped to see if I was ok. The bike has a dent on the tank, scratches on the fairing(the frame sliders took a beating though) my clutch lever is bent and my shifter pedal is fubar. Please someone help me to find out why, I think I did everything right, made that turn hundreds of times
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RedDogDarren
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Your tires weren't that warm in this temperature, ESPECIALLY the sidewalls. AND the pavement is colder than the arctic. Not too surprising considering your speed attempting to do a 90 degree intersection turn.
It happens, don't be too bummed out.
redridernl
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Sounds a little quick for a turn through an intersection when it's under 10°. Hard acceleration and braking builds heat in tires not droning along on the highway and at these temperatures tires simply won't build or maintain heat.
Were you going 60-70 km/h while turning??
I know you're feeling like crap right now, but look at the bright side and thank god you're alive and well.
Like the two above mentioned a combination of cold sidewall and leaning too much would be the cause.
AMAZIN-
Banned
^Yeah you gotta take it slow since its the start of the season and your season... Can't just hop on and expect to do a great hot lap.
Be glad nothing major happened and that you are okay...
Plus the city salted the streets yesterday man, and you're asking what you did wrong going around the corner (even though it was a familiar one)
Ride safe, you've got the whole summer ahead of ya
Be glad nothing major happened and that you are okay...
Plus the city salted the streets yesterday man, and you're asking what you did wrong going around the corner (even though it was a familiar one)
Ride safe, you've got the whole summer ahead of ya
Thanks everyone, I guess I was asking too much of the bike in this temp. The damage is mainly cosmetic, I wanted to change the levers and rear sets anyways so now I have an excuse to. The most important part is that I was ok, and will never go out without wearing leathers, my jacket saved my *****
invictus43
Well-known member
Yeah..operator error..no biggie. It happens. Early season is tricky..roads are dusty..salty..slick..and it's cold. Caution is warranted. And despite what seems to be the common feeling on here, most people in cars seem to be pretty careful and concerned about bikers. Glad you're ok.
01rc51
Well-known member
Exactly the reason why you won't see me as one of the 1st out when the weather starts to get warmer. A combination of the cold pavement and all the crap that is still on the roads.
It's great to hear your OK. Lesson learned and ride safe.
cbcanada
Banned
Bro i am glad you are ok but why are you attempting to make a 90 degree turn at a street corner on a city street at 60-70 km ?
If you have no care for yourself do you ever stop to think about anyone else on that street?
I would recommend going to a track
My two cents
What corner? Google map it. What bike. It seems you were going fast but you should be able to take a turn at that speed even with cold roads
slogan
Well-known member
I guess, that the most part was "a bad luck". Glad you're OK!
Anyways, it will be good for you to reconsider what you did very critical. Sometimes, you do something 100 times, and everything goes "smooth" , but then one day, you start pushing your limits, and some small mistakes, that you did not realize before, start coming out
Review next questions for yourself:
* Was your speed really good for that intersection?
* Is there really any NEED to go through that intersection on that speed???
* What was your body position? Was it correct for that speed and that leaning angle?
* Where did you look while the turn? before the turn?
* and so on...
Don't blame bike/tires too much - you are the rider, you have to feel your bike. If there were any oil/pot-hole/whatever on the road - again, you are operating a vehicle on public roads - safety is your responsibility.
take some track-days, where you will be able to test/expand/extend your limits
Ride safe!
Anyways, it will be good for you to reconsider what you did very critical. Sometimes, you do something 100 times, and everything goes "smooth" , but then one day, you start pushing your limits, and some small mistakes, that you did not realize before, start coming out
Review next questions for yourself:
* Was your speed really good for that intersection?
* Is there really any NEED to go through that intersection on that speed???
* What was your body position? Was it correct for that speed and that leaning angle?
* Where did you look while the turn? before the turn?
* and so on...
Don't blame bike/tires too much - you are the rider, you have to feel your bike. If there were any oil/pot-hole/whatever on the road - again, you are operating a vehicle on public roads - safety is your responsibility.
take some track-days, where you will be able to test/expand/extend your limits
Ride safe!
The quick fix is to slow down before the turn, set your turn angle, then smoothly and slightly accelerate through the turn.
You need to slow down enough so that if you need to correct the turn part way through, you won't lose traction.
The only trophy you can get for high performance turns on the street is life sized and made of stone.
You need to slow down enough so that if you need to correct the turn part way through, you won't lose traction.
The only trophy you can get for high performance turns on the street is life sized and made of stone.
Sillylion
Well-known member
sucks to hear that. Just last week i almost low sided taking the lawrance ramp, it was a freezing day and ive been riding for a good 20 minutes and figured my tires were warm enough, but mid lean on that corner going 90 i felt the tire begin to loose traction and had to bring the bike up right. Went right into the opposite lane and almost hit the rail luckily no traffic on that side or behind.
Glad you made it out okay
But im suprised to hear that extent of damage even with the sliders!
Glad you made it out okay
But im suprised to hear that extent of damage even with the sliders!
When the temp is around 10c or less,your tires will NEVER reach a "sticky" temperature.For that matter,even if you had your tires on warmers before you left the house (stupid,i know) street riding for a few minutes would cool them down in a few kms.The words "sticky" and "street" don't belong in the same sentence.
Intersections have much more oil, coolant etc on them than a non-intersection part of road and might deserve slower speeds.
I rode into work this morning, before the main moisture fell but still rode in some sprinkles. I got onto the Allen Rd North ramp from 401E and took it slow because:
So I agree with 'slogan' on this one. You have to feel the road condition under your tires and see it with your eyes and make a clear judgement. It definately is colder and wetter today than yesterday. I wouldn't be taking 90 degree turns in the city at 60-70 KPH as you won't have enough time to react to anything that might come in your way. (e.g. the video in another post where the rider almost hit a jaywalking woman running agianst her red light. He had just enough time veer right and miss her by inches. HAd he been going about 10 KPH slower he would have probably seen her a little earlier and could have stopped.)
Basically this all comes down to common sense and we are not born with it we are taught it on a day to day basis.
- I know it's early in the season and my skills are abit rusty
- The temp. was about 2C and the roads wet
- I didn't want to wreck my vintage bike (1982 Yamaha XZ550 Vision)
So I agree with 'slogan' on this one. You have to feel the road condition under your tires and see it with your eyes and make a clear judgement. It definately is colder and wetter today than yesterday. I wouldn't be taking 90 degree turns in the city at 60-70 KPH as you won't have enough time to react to anything that might come in your way. (e.g. the video in another post where the rider almost hit a jaywalking woman running agianst her red light. He had just enough time veer right and miss her by inches. HAd he been going about 10 KPH slower he would have probably seen her a little earlier and could have stopped.)
Basically this all comes down to common sense and we are not born with it we are taught it on a day to day basis.
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