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Obviously there will be other locations around the city based on specific needs. This one is in front of a school and a fire station.

I can't envision every new location getting mailed out to every resident in the city. This is likely a CYA for the MPP so she doesn't get the hate mail / flak. Automated speed enforcement = Photo radar.

A ticket shouldn't affect insurance rates unless the insurers start asking if the vehicle has been issued any tickets.
 
FLSTC said:
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A crusader with some dark tint and a small amount of art ability (or a cricut) to cut out the shapes decently could easily derail the whole project. Unlike spray painting the whole box red, it may take the city time to notice.
 
FLSTC said:
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Wow, just wow, this city is ******. They have time to do something like this but not enough to slow down.
Really do people believe it is better to be speeding around school zones.
 
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sburns said:
Wow, just wow, this city is ******. They have time to do something like this but not enough to slow down.
Really do people believe it is better to be speeding around school zones.
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I know what you mean, but we'll see how this plays out. I think it is a great idea when school is in, but we all know these will also be running at 3:00 am in august. That is not really a safety issue, that is a fundraising issue.
 
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We shall see, if the cameras are active only during school hours and reasonable times before and after, or if they are active 24/7. If it's the former, I am okay with it. If it's the latter ... most people including myself will view it as revenue generation, and it wouldn't surprise me if countermeasures are taken.
 
sburns said:
How, there definately is a speed issue around Toronto, and more so around schools where this idea came from.
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Too slow or too fast?
 
sburns said:
Fast in side streets and main roads. But there are slow people as well, those that can't speed up and merge properly on highways.
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You should come visit. People here come along the highway off ramp doing 40- and then try and cut across 3 lanes that are doing 80+. Those that stay in their lane, slow down to 30 in the 80, 40 in the 60, and then speed up to 60+ in the 40. Fortunately, there's only about 10% of the Toronto population, or there would be daily carnage.
 
Why do people hate on these so much? Isn't it better to know exactly where the revenue generator is, instead of a rando person driving around busting people.
 
Robp said:
Why do people hate on these so much? Isn't it better to know exactly where the revenue generator is, instead of a rando person driving around busting people.
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More or less, that's the way I look at it, too.

Unless it gets to the extent of Switzerland or Australia or the UK.

And yet their overall road safety situation is not really any better off because of it.

Engineering changes to road design are a better way to go but it's not easy. Roundabouts instead of stop signs and traffic signals force everyone to slow down but don't require anyone to stop unless it is actually necessary, and they almost eliminate most of the worst collision scenarios (head-on, or one vehicle turning left in front of an oncoming one). Physical separation of bicycle and pedestrian traffic from motor vehicle traffic. Physical separation of traffic going opposing directions. We're starting, but there is a long way to go, and doing it properly everywhere would come at huge cost - basically impossible.
 
Brian P said:
More or less, that's the way I look at it, too.

Unless it gets to the extent of Switzerland or Australia or the UK.

And yet their overall road safety situation is not really any better off because of it.

Engineering changes to road design are a better way to go but it's not easy. Roundabouts instead of stop signs and traffic signals force everyone to slow down but don't require anyone to stop unless it is actually necessary, and they almost eliminate most of the worst collision scenarios (head-on, or one vehicle turning left in front of an oncoming one). Physical separation of bicycle and pedestrian traffic from motor vehicle traffic. Physical separation of traffic going opposing directions. We're starting, but there is a long way to go, and doing it properly everywhere would come at huge cost - basically impossible.
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The big problem in the GTA is the cost of land. At $100.00 per square foot in the outer burbs to many times that in the core. Where do the bike lanes come from? Either people's lawns or the driving lanes.

Physical separation has merits but is inflexible. People will still have crashes and break downs (Maybe a few less) and there is no way around them. St. Clair (Patron saint of bad drivers) is an example of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing.

Spadina, did it need separation or driver training?
 
Brian P said:
More or less, that's the way I look at it, too.

Unless it gets to the extent of Switzerland or Australia or the UK.

And yet their overall road safety situation is not really any better off because of it.

Engineering changes to road design are a better way to go but it's not easy. Roundabouts instead of stop signs and traffic signals force everyone to slow down but don't require anyone to stop unless it is actually necessary, and they almost eliminate most of the worst collision scenarios (head-on, or one vehicle turning left in front of an oncoming one). Physical separation of bicycle and pedestrian traffic from motor vehicle traffic. Physical separation of traffic going opposing directions. We're starting, but there is a long way to go, and doing it properly everywhere would come at huge cost - basically impossible.
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The chance of a T-bone is potentially increased with roundabouts, due to the stop (Slow To Observe Police) sign becoming a yield (Youth Investing Energy in Leadership Development).
 
Baggsy said:
The chance of a T-bone is potentially increased with roundabouts, due to the stop (Slow To Observe Police) sign becoming a yield (Youth Investing Energy in Leadership Development).
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Huh? T-bone in a roundabout is incredibly rare. Lots of sideswipe and rear-end collisions though due to the dumb.
 
Up till the '70s BC had what was called "courtesy corners".
In Ontario we would get a four way stop, in BC a lot of minor intersections had no signs, no lights... nothing.
At a "courtesy corner" you had to decide who had the right of way before you entered the intersection.
It WORKED, believe it or not.

Then they started installing stop signs and four way stops. SHEER PANDEMONIUM
 
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Huh? T-bone in a roundabout is incredibly rare. Lots of sideswipe and rear-end collisions though due to the dumb.
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Happened to me on Windermere Ave., maybe I'm just lucky. I've also seen a number of people go through that one backwards.
 
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