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Bridgestone Battlax BT-016 Tires - on a Ninja 250

HorizonXP

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I'm starting this post off now to get my thoughts in now. The review will be started properly next week, and updated as I continue to use these tires.

A little bit of background on the 08+ Ninja 250. When the new model was first released, Kawasaki fitted them with Bridgestone BT-45 tires. These are mainly meant for sport touring, and the general consensus is that they perform well. They have a decent amount of grip with great tread wear characteristics. It is common for them to last upwards of 10,000+ km. Somewhere in that model year, Kawasaki also fitted some bikes with Dunlop GT-501s. These tires were reviewed to be comparable to the BT-45s, with the BT-45s being slightly grippier. Suffice it to say, these tires worked well for the Ninja 250 and were a great fit for the typical new rider as they instilled confidence.

For the 09 model year, Kawasaki made a cost-cutting move by switching to IRC RoadWinner tires. These tires have very poor reviews, with some saying they feel like wood and are not very grippy tires at all. Some even state they are downright dangerous, and they are not the appropriate tires for a new rider. Many recommend changing them out as soon as possible.

All of these tires are bias-ply tires (vs. radials), and the recommended size for the 3.5" rims is a 130/70 rear and 110/70 front.

My Ninja 250 is an 09 model year. I bought her at 4,300 km, and am now at 13,000 km. I have not changed the stock IRCs. These tires are just about down to their wear bars, and they are VERY squared off. They probably needed to be changed a while ago. I've been shopping for tires since July.

There are not many options available for the Ninja 250. There are other tires made by Avon, Metzeler and Michelin that are available in the stock sizes, but they are not as popular and there are few reviews. Most everyone recommends either the BT-45s, or the Pirelli Sport Demons. The Sport Demons are likely the best bias-ply tires you can find in stock sizes for the Ninja 250. Apparently, they provide the best grip and wet performance, but at the cost of increased tread wear. You will typically have to switch them out after 7,000+ km.

But what about radials? Well, without getting into construction details, they will generally allow higher levels of grip and better tread wear. There are many more options available in radial tires. However, you will be hard-pressed to find them in a 130/70 rear tire size. The smallest you'll likely find is a 140/70 or 150/60.

Generally, moving up a tire size is not recommended. Many do it because they think either a) it provides better grip and stability b) it looks bigger and better. In fact, moving up tire sizes is unlikely to provide either. It modifies the contact patch you have with the road, and if you do it incorrectly, can actually reduce the amount of rubber on the road. Moreover, it can create oddly shaped patches that reduce performance. This usually occurs when you try to pinch the rubber to fit on the smaller rim. A larger rear tire will also be harder to throw over into corners, reducing the flickability of the Ninja 250, one of its selling points. Finally, a 150 rear tire is only 2 cm wider than a 130, a difference that is imperceptible to anyone but you. All in all, you want to avoid moving up a tire size.

So why do it at all? Well, you would only do it if the tire you want is not available in the smaller size. In this case, it's the Bridgestone BT-016 tires. These are the same tires that come stock on many of the SS bikes, albeit in the 3 compound aftermarket tire vs. the 2 compound OEM tire. These are very favourably reviewed as providing high levels of grip and minimal tread wear. It is common for them to last 12,000+ km. However, the smallest available rear tire is a 150/60. We just said we shouldn't move up tire sizes.

Well, according to the Ninja 250 community, it's ok in this case. Yes, the larger rear tire will reduce the bike's flickability. However, it seems the tire's profile is very comparable to a 130/70 tire (it should be, since 70% of 130 is 91mm and 60% of 150 is 90mm). It doesn't seem to pinch badly, and it fits into the swingarm with enough clearance. These tires have been reviewed very well. They perform better than the BT-45s, and even better than the Sport Demons. The consensus is that these are the new must-have tires for the Ninja 250 if you are doing any kind of commuting or twisty riding.

On Monday, I intend to find out for myself. I ordered the front tire (110/70) from Rocky Mountain ATV for $49.99 + $7 shipping USD, and the rear tire (150/60) from Motorcycle Superstore for $119.99 USD. I had them shipped to Blue Water Shipping Depot in Port Huron, MI, and I will pick them up Saturday as I drop off my sister to school. I ordered them on Friday and Monday, and they arrived this morning.

A better deal on the rear tire is at Cycle Gear. They're selling it for $99.99, with free shipping. If you add something else to your cart to make it $100, you can use this coupon code (CG20OFF100) to make it just about $80, again with free shipping. I tried to go this route, but their fraud division had issues with my US Visa having a Canadian billing address. I could've resolved this, but not in the timeframe I needed, so I ordered elsewhere. Motorcycle Superstore were unwilling to match the price, since it was below their cost.

Suffice it to say, it is possible to get a set of well-reviewed tires for the Ninja 250 for $137 USD, plus some time and effort on your part to pick them up from a cross-border shipping depot.

I will continue this long-winded review once I've installed the tires.
 
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Hi Horizon,
I surveyed all Ninja250 tires over a year ago (when I was selling them).
Eight manufacturers offer sporting bias-ply tires in the OEM Ninja size.
Three of these offer a one-oversize rear (140/70-17).
As for radials?
Personally I wouldn't do it on the stock wheels, they're not wide enough...
But I know Kahuna sells radials to people for their Ninja250s if they desire.
The thing is, it's a very light-weight econo bike.
So carbs and bias-ply make perfect sense from Kawi's point of view.
Regards
 
Bt003 is even better for grip and comes in a 140 rear it made a huge difference to my wifes little ninja it can now be leaned way over with no sign of slipping. (These are the tires used for the ninja 250 cup in the states and those guys are dragging the fairing on stock bikes.The only change they make is the tires.)
 
Hi Horizon,
I surveyed all Ninja250 tires over a year ago (when I was selling them).
Eight manufacturers offer sporting bias-ply tires in the OEM Ninja size.
Three of these offer a one-oversize rear (140/70-17).
As for radials?
Personally I wouldn't do it on the stock wheels, they're not wide enough...
But I know Kahuna sells radials to people for their Ninja250s if they desire.
The thing is, it's a very light-weight econo bike.
So carbs and bias-ply make perfect sense from Kawi's point of view.
Regards

Gryphon, I agree with you 100%, and I was originally going to stick with bias-ply and 130/70 on the rear. But I've heard excellent things about these tires, and I'm going to give them a shot. I understand that I'm going against most people's recommendations.

Bt003 is even better for grip and comes in a 140 rear it made a huge difference to my wifes little ninja it can now be leaned way over with no sign of slipping. (These are the tires used for the ninja 250 cup in the states and those guys are dragging the fairing on stock bikes.The only change they make is the tires.)

You're completely correct. If all you use the Ninja 250 for is the track or twisties, this is definitely the better tire. But I commute as well, so I would wear through those like nothing. Also, I seem to remember reading that somehow the 140/70-17 pinched more than the 150/60-17, but I could be wrong. In any case, a tracked 250 should be using BT-003RS tires.
 
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So I just had the new tires installed. I went to see Daniel at Heritage Auto & Powersports on Ingram Dr. I decided to have him install the wheels on the bike, instead of bringing the rims to him myself. I knew I could've done it myself, but I figured the extra cost was worth not having a headache and wasting time. I was in and out within an hour. Very professional, Daniel's a great guy, and he runs a clean shop. He has the professional tire mounting machinery, including the motorcycle tire specific computerized balancer. Sure, they're not required, but at the price he charges, it's a no brainer. Would highly recommend him to anyone here.

Now for the pictures!

Here are the old tires:
Rear Profile



Front Profile


Bike @ Heritage


New tires:




Didn't take any with the new front yet. I'll get those later. But the biggest concern was clearance on the rear, and I'm happy to report that it fits beautifully. At least half an inch on either side between the tire and swingarm/chain guard. I'm not sure if it's obvious in the pictures, but the new rear is definitely pinched a bit more than the old one, as I was expecting. Moreover, there is no way I'm going to be able to lean this bike far over enough to use it right to the edge.

I rode about 15 km from Heritage to my work, with streets & highway. Daniel warned me to take it easy for the first 500 km, so I'm basically riding as if it's raining. So I can't say much about how much better they are than my old tires, but so far, they do feel at least as good. Took the onramp at Keele, and it felt decent, but I wasn't aggressive at all. Over the next couple of weeks, I'll see how they perform.
 
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Thanks for posting this review. Looking forward to your feedback in the weeks to come as you break the tires in. The stock tires suck balls!
 
I rode about 15 km from Heritage to my work, with streets & highway. Daniel warned me to take it easy for the first 500 km, so I'm basically riding as if it's raining. So I can't say much about how much better they are than my old tires, but so far, they do feel at least as good. Took the onramp at Keele, and it felt decent, but I wasn't aggressive at all. Over the next couple of weeks, I'll see how they perform.

You do not need 500Km to break tires in (it's a myth that modern tires need extensive mileage to get scrubbed in). Let them get some heat (cold tires are your enemy ...) in and then just keep leaning the bike more and more with each turn. In no time they will be nicely scrubbed in across the whole profile.
 
how you finding the 150 rear after a week of riding?? I'm getting a 140 put on towmarrow
 
how you finding the 150 rear after a week of riding?? I'm getting a 140 put on towmarrow

The 150 rear is pretty awesome so far. Daily commuting, highway riding, traffic dodging and onramps, it's definitely better than my old tire. Haven't noticed the reduced turn-in yet.

I'll know more once I hit the twisties this weekend. What 140 tire are you putting on?
 
I got the Bt-45 put on. Only did about 40 km on it today but it feels good, real good...then again my old rear was worn to sh*t. I didn't feel anything negative either, on the weekend after some twisties I'll get a better idea. The 140/70 sits higher than the 130/70 and 150/60, but I'm pretty tall for this bike so I like it. I still have the Metzeler Lasertec up front which is another great set of tires. The front tire tread is similar to the Bt-45 but with deeper and more defined treads, I've got about 13000 km on it, and its still looking good.
 
Your Metzeler rear is already done? It looked good last time I saw it...

Also, careful putting different front and rear tires on. Unmatched tire treads and profiles can do funny things with your steering geometry.
 
So I FINALLY hit some twisties with the new tires. Basically did a full tank of gas each day, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday & Wednesday.

Dear God, I love these tires. I have never felt so confident riding my 250. 1200 km in 4 days, I dealt with everything. In-town traffic, high speed highways, fast sweepers, tight technical turns, gravel, grooved road... you name it.

Sunday was a group ride with 2 guys from uni. We went via Cambridge to Brantford to Lake Erie and back up. On the way home, we stopped off in Milton, taking Guelph Line through Campbellville. The guys were on an FZ1 and a 636. Needless to say, I was left in their dust in the straights. There was actually a lot of straight riding, which annoyed me, as I had to WOT in 6th gear to have any chance of catching back up to them. I was itching for the twisties.... which we found down by the lake. I was sweeper (not by choice, lol) and I got in behind the guys for the turns and I thought, "Uh.... we can go a bit faster." After a couple, I decided to overtake them and lead. It felt amazing. Whether I was hanging off the bike or not, the tires just stuck, even in the cold weather. I could flick her right over and hold the line with no issues. When the guys caught up to me at the light, they exclaimed, "God damn man, it may be a 250, but you ride that thing well!" I replied, "Well, you guys kept dusting me in the straights. I figure, if I can't go fast, I should be able to take corners properly."

Monday and Wednesday, I took Terra Cotta -> Hockley -> Mono 8 -> River Rd. -> Shanty Bay -> Orillia and back. I was loaded with about 40 lbs of clothes, etc., as I was heading up for a conference. On Monday, the bike handled just as beautifully, even though I was heavier. I had to take it a bit easier on River Rd. because a) I know it's notorious for strewn gravel b) I've downed it there before. Even still, I had a ton of fun. On the way back today, it was just as fun, but a little unnerving with the heavy wind gusts. Some heartbeats were skipped, but nonetheless, a good time was had. Had to drive through some gravel and grooved roads near Hwy 11. Took it very gingerly, but did not have any hiccups.

Tuesday, I had some spare time to do Monck Rd -> 503 -> 118 -> 648 -> Elephant Lake and back. Man, what a treat that was! I'll admit that I did ride at a speed that was not very gentleman-like, but man, these tires just kept on stickin. Heck, when I hit some wet roads, I had to remind myself to slow down; the water didn't phase the tires one bit. There were 2 turns close to Elephant Lake on the 648 (60 & 70 km/h yellow signs) that were newly paved, wet, and had what looked like loose asphalt on it. I forced myself to slow to 80-90 km/h because I didn't want to chance it, but honestly, no issues.

After all of that, I still have 1" chicken strips on the rear. It still has some of those little rubber nobs that new tires have. I mean, I do lean the bike over, but I hang off the bike when I'm really aggressive. I'm not dragging knee (I wear riding pants, but no knee pucks), so I'm definitely not getting it over far enough. That said, I have no intention of dragging knee on the street (on a regular basis at least), so for my purposes, these tires work fantastic. Heck, my riding these past few days is still a bit aggressive than what I should be doing.

Get these tires. You won't regret it.
 
I didn't update this review in a while, but I'll keep it brief.

I kept riding on these tires, and they were amazing. Rode on them down to Deal's Gap via Skyline Drive and Blue Ridge Parkway. They stuck like glue, even with all of my gear loaded up in my saddlebags and tail bag. They were flatspotted from the Ontario roads, but were rounded again by the time we got to the gap. I was so confident in these tires that I was getting on the gas REALLY early. You could see the characteristic tire wear (that "shredding" you see) that larger bikes typically get. I was surprised, since it's just a 250!

At the Gap they were beautiful, again, stuck like glue. Rode them back home, doing 1300+km in 15 hrs on the interstate (absolutely brutal), booking it straight back home. They were flat again by the time I got home.

I've barely ridden since then, putting maybe 2k km since the end of May. Just swapped them last week, since my rear tire was right down to the wear indicator bars. The front likely had another 1-2k in them, but at $50 for the front tire, no sense in not swapping it. In total, I think I got something like 12-13k out of these times. Very happy with that, considering they cost me only $180.

I'm on my second set now.
 

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