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Looking at getting a new television.
Size up to 100”. We have 11’.
What sort of technology should we get?
Should we go for big screen lower tech or high tech lower screen size or some compromise?
When do the deals come out?
 
Bought a 55" Sony oled last fall. Very impressed. With eye surgery in December i was even more impressed.
 
I think Sony is still a safe bet. I've had a 40" Sony for ever and seems good.

You might have missed some deals with it being the Superbowl last week.
Maybe a March break deal, or April as it's a weird in between month.
 
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Very happy with our 86" LG Nanocell. It's about 3 years old now but still working perfect. I'm sure it's been replaced by some newer technology by now, but LG makes good stuff.
 
OLED is probably the "best" now. Afaik, it can still burn in if abused. Most have image shift to minimize it. The real danger comes if you constantly watch news with a defined layout and borders. Most other content will have enough variation to avoid issues.

For TV's I rarely buy the bleeding edge. In a year or two even the budget screens will beat this years flagship. It you really care about image quality, you are normally well ahead to buy a mid-range tv every few years. I don't care that much so I replace them when they die. That doesn't happen often anymore.

rtings.com is good for competent reviews. Looking at tv's in store is hard as they are all set to stun (vivid mode).

I'm assuming you want something near Ottawa but if you are in GTA and want good advice, Update TV & Stereo in Shops at Vaughan Mills is good. They care and do tons of volume so prices are normally good. Trevor and Stacey are the owners and often in the shop, otherwise the staff are geeks (in a good way) and some are trained calibration techs for the customers that really want things right.

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As for tech, I have an old "smart" tv that ended up dumb as the smart stuff was EOL'd. Now I use chromecast or firetv to add smartness. I doubt you can find a dumb tv anymore but I still wouldn't really care much about the stupidity or design of the built in interface as it's cheap and easy to use an alternate solution.

Many brands have some kind of gimmick (like QLED), meh. Not normally much beyond the marketing.

Depending on how you are mounting it and which angles you may end up looking at it, some models more elegantly deal with off-angle packaging. Some chase the thinnest panel for marketing but then have a huge wart where the electronics are. To me, a more elegant package is closer to a rectangular prism.

Many friends have Frames and love them. They do some great things with packaging (like a remote IO head connected by a single small wire). I don't know how big they go and they definitely aren't the cheapest.
 
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OLED is probably the "best" now. Afaik, it can still burn in if abused. Most have image shift to minimize it. The real danger comes if you constantly watch news with a defined layout and borders. Most other content will have enough variation to avoid issues.
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Burn in is the main reason I *didn't* want an OLED when I was shopping at the time. We tend to have CP24 on in the background quite often and it burned in quite badly on our LG Plasma that we had before the nanocell. Some persistent logo's from certain TV channels (Discovery was bad for this for a while) also burned in on the plasma.

The LG supported DolbyVision and HDR which at the time made the picture comparable to OLED of the day, and zero burn in issues. CP24 has been on for literally hours at a time on our Nanocell and of course no burn in issues at all..
 
I'm not a fan of big expensive stuff. Just not worth it.

Electronics are not made like they used to be . They are made to break.
Easier on the wallet (and the mind) when a $800 TV breaks in a few years vs a $2500 TV. Of course size of TV plays a big role in the cost.

Lots of people underestimate the lower end brands. TCL has come a long way just as Hisense. If its purpose is to predominantly watch the news and Netflix, I wouldn't spend big bucks on it. If you are creating a home theater then that's a different story.

I bought a 58" TV for $298 for the unfinished basement over Boxing Week. Its purpose it for my son to play his game there and watch some stuff when his buddies come over. I also escape there once in a while. Far from a man cave but it does the trick.

ONN brand, looks like its a Walmart house brand. Image is great, but I don't expect to get 10 years out of it.

One thing to remember is that your picture is only as good as its source. An 8K TV won't do you any good if the source is only 1080P.
 
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I'm not a fan of big expensive stuff. Just not worth it.

Electronics are not made like they used to be . They are made to break.
Easier on the wallet (and the mind) when a $800 TV breaks in a few years vs a $2500 TV. Of course size of TV plays a big role in the cost.

Lots of people underestimate the lower end brands. TCL has come a long way just as Hisense. If its purpose is to predominantly watch the news and Netflix, I wouldn't spend big bucks on it. If you are creating a home theater then that's a different story.

I bought a 58" TV for $298 for the unfinished basement over Boxing Week. Its purpose it for my son to play his game there and watch some stuff when his buddies come over.
ONN brand, looks like its a Walmart house brand. Image is great, but I don't expect to get 10 years out of it.

One thing to remember is that your picture is only as good as its source. An 8K TV won't do you any good if the source is only 1080P.
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I haven't looked at a recent hisense but when I looked a few years ago (and the dentist has hisense tv's) they were awful. They may have had the pixels but holy crap did the image look bad. From what I have seen TCL is miles above Hisense (but maybe that changed recently).

I would not be buying an 8K TV as I'm not convinced there will ever be much content for it. I think it's the new 3D to get people to buy more expensive sets but it dies on the vine. Assuming you could get content, 100" TV at 6' or less benefits from 8K. That is a bonkers setup. Some TV's upscale better than others. When 80"+ TV's started coming out they looked like crap at 1080P but upscaled to 4K was far better.

At 11 ft viewing distance, 80-85" would be normal (30 degree FOV). 100" is approaching cinema style (~35 degree FOV). 110" is 40 degree FOV and roughly cinema optimum.
 
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I'm not an AV enthusiast so $1000 is about the sweet spot for what I'm willing to spend.

That amount got me a TCL 65" about 6 years ago. It's lasted this long with zero problems. Wouldn't hesitate to replace it with whatever current TCL $1000 will get me today.
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Looks like ~$1200 has a ton of options. 65" LG/Samsung, 75" TCL, 85" Hisense.
 
The tech has gone past the source streaming material...one reason I opted for collecting a few 4k BR titles to have reference material tho most of the 4k streaming is pretty good on a mid-level 4k...spectacular with the correct distance and light levels.

8k - meh ...unless it's a full fledged home theatre the extra pixel density only contributes slightly better colour gradations on top end source.

HDR remains the biggest source of PQ ( picure quality) gain. Some of the peak brightness numbers are getting eye blistering levels. 4,000 nits !!!!
LED and mini-LED lead there but AFAIK OLED still leads for blacks
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No budget limit?? This would be my choice
Panasonic Z95A OLED TV

The other aspect of HDR is black levels which are infinite on OLED and truly takes your breath away even without the insane brightness levels.

Lots depends on use/source, room and where you sit.
I look for iMAX FOV so I sit very close to my screens including the retina laptops

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The average field of view for an IMAX seat is around 70° (horizontal). So for a 100" 16x9 screen, that would place the viewing distance at around 5.2ft.

All that said .... moving back on a good screen can make 1080P from earlier sources look quite good. ( think BluRay vs 4k BR HDR so some flexibility in seating is useful.

There have been a few times I wanted a larger screen than my current 55" 4k Samsung a few years old.
OLED will be the next one ONLY when the Samsung fails.
 
Our $1500 Samsung lasted 2yrs before a pixel went dead causing a startup loop. I fixed it for free and it's 95% picture perfect with just a little bright spot in a corner but it's now a 75" garage tv.
Our replacement $1500ish Sony 75" developed a single line after 2yrs last year but it went away after a couple weeks so could have been an update issue. Other than that it's a nice tv although my spouse tends to use the "art" feature of it with a seasonal photo and one of them has caused some burn-in.
 
We got a 65" LG C4 OLED just before xmas. OLED65C4PUA

We could have saved about $400 by getting a C3 but it have been over 10 years since our last TV purchase so we splurged a bit.

Great picture. Burn in not an issue for us based on how and what we watch.
 
Replaced a plasma LG with a 65" LG OLED (BX series, i don't play games) when they first came out.
It's got over 13,000 hours and is still perfect.
I use Bell Fibe and a Buzz Box.
The hdr viewing via the Buzzbox is stunning.
(9' from couch to screen).
 
Our Toshiba manual says 2009. The TV is fine except one input died, but there were spares. We wore out the remote and had to go generic.

I recall seeing my first flat TV at the Price Club way back. $13,000.
 
GreyGhost said:
Looks like ~$1200 has a ton of options. 65" LG/Samsung, 75" TCL, 85" Hisense.
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Hisense 75 Google TV, $740 out the door at Vision Electronics.

It's been great.
 
I can remember Dad buying our first color TV at a dept store , early seventies, about twenty five inch and the same price I paid for sixty inch flat screen fifty yrs later . That blows my mind .


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crankcall said:
I can remember Dad buying our first color TV at a dept store , early seventies, about twenty five inch and the same price I paid for sixty inch flat screen fifty yrs later . That blows my mind .


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Early 2000's, my parents bought me a TV for Christmas. Sony Flatron CRT, 21"inch or so. I think it was around $650 on sale.
This was just before the LCD/flat screen TVs came in. Mine became obsolete and worthless in less then 6 months.
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