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Basic question(s) on Exhausts and "re-jetting"

Nick456

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I've been looking at a Leo Vince GP Corsa Carbon slip on exhaust and also looking at a dyno jet kit.

One of the Leo Vince suppliers told me that the GP Corsa exhaust was designed for use without any "re-jetting" (I asked about a dyno jet kit).

What does this exactly mean ?

How do you know if an exhaust is compatible with a jet kit or not ?
Also, if I had a jet kit installed (if), and added an exhaust designed to be used without a jet kit, would this damage the bike in any way ?
 
All bikes can benefit from a jetkit even with a stock exhaust. A jetkit will have various jets/needles/clip positions that allow for different configurations (stock exhaust, slipon, full exhaust).

Get both and you'll benefit from less weight, better sound and more HP
 
All bikes can benefit from a jetkit even with a stock exhaust. A jetkit will have various jets/needles/clip positions that allow for different configurations (stock exhaust, slipon, full exhaust).

Get both and you'll benefit from less weight, better sound and more HP

Then why did the dealer "make it sound" like the Leo Vince exhaust shouldn't be coupled with a jet kit ?
 
I've been looking at a Leo Vince GP Corsa Carbon slip on exhaust and also looking at a dyno jet kit.

One of the Leo Vince suppliers told me that the GP Corsa exhaust was designed for use without any "re-jetting" (I asked about a dyno jet kit).

What does this exactly mean ?

To be blunt ... it means the fancy aftermarket exhaust system doesn't do anything. (This is actually rather typical nowadays ... stock exhaust systems are usually pretty well designed, even for a Ninja 250)

If it did something (i.e. somehow increased the amount of air going through the engine), you would have to re-jet it.

How do you know if an exhaust is compatible with a jet kit or not ?

You DON'T. Only way to know is to go by what previous people have done who have installed the same one. For that, go to internet forums dedicated to that bike (there are plenty) and try to find someone who knows what they are talking about as opposed to only knowing about flush-mount signals and fender chops and blingy lighting (that is the challenge, but they are out there).

Also, if I had a jet kit installed (if), and added an exhaust designed to be used without a jet kit, would this damage the bike in any way ?

Given that we have already more or less established that the exhaust system doesn't do anything ... it won't matter whether there is a jet kit installed or not.

Having said that, Ninja 250's are notoriously lean right from the outset. But there's no need for a full jet kit to fix this - just shim the stock needles, install next-size-bigger pilot jets (which most jetting kits don't include!), and MAYBE change the main jets IF the exhaust system warrants it. All these parts are available separately, e.g. through Winner's Circle on Steelcase in Markham ...

Then why did the dealer "make it sound" like the Leo Vince exhaust shouldn't be coupled with a jet kit ?

Who knows ... ! ! !

The guy behind the counter isn't necessarily a race engine tuner. Most likely, he can only go by what the manufacturer says in their promotional materials.
 
Get both and you'll benefit from less weight, better sound and more HP

On a 250?

To the OP,

Nick the carb basics go something like this. There is an optimal fuel air mixture that will produce the most power in a engine. Too much air in the mix is referred to as lean, too much fuel is rich. You stray away too far from an optimal burn the bike runs like crap. Most bikes stock are lean from the factory to help meet emissions regulations. Normally with you put a new exhaust on a bike you will allow the engine to move more air through it making it even leaner. You add a jet jet to add more fuel back into the mix to get back to an optimal burn.

Now jet kits are required if you go with a full exhaust. Most slip-ons don't change the mixture too too much so you can use them without the need for a jet kit. Yes a jet kit will help your bike out IF its set up properly.

Setting up cabs correctly is a black art, and I've noticed there is fewer and fewer people that know how to do it well, just like finding someone with 2-stroke knowledge.
 
Wow, those are some awesome and detailed responses (Thanks Brian P and Skip).

I think you guys straightened me out but I feel like I'm even more confused now (due to all the new technical info), don't really know were to go from here.

So..., a slip on exhaust doesn't do much in terms of performance (fuel-air mixture) as opposed to a full exhaust system, so adding a jet kit to a slip on exhaust would be almost "pointless" UNLESS, someone set it up properly (how the hell would I find someone that knows how to setup this combo "properly" ??) . ...

Hmmm.. lots of info to take in for a newb like myself.

*I just want to try and get the "most" out of my 250 while I can and then sell it in the spring and upgrade to a 600, I've got some cash to spare so I don't mind putting it towards some 250 performance upgrades*
 
Mmhmmm ..... I think I'll just stick to "stock".

I'm sure no mechanic around here would go through all the trouble to properly install and fine tune a jet kit (like on that post you linked me to) on a 250.
 
i rejetted my carbs on two bikes and i run stock exhaust on both. the bike runs better with the rejet. i ussually go up one size on the jets and also put one or two washers in the needle jet.

going one size up is peobably good for any stock carb. its only when u go up a few sizes then you gotta worry about if you re getting enough air. then u need hi flow filter and headers.

the bike responds and runs better. like some one mentioned the stock set up is always lean and the carbs are not getting optimal gas/air mixture.

definaty recommend going up one size on jets.. its not gona make you bike that much faster but it will run better
 

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