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Anyone else into Crypto?

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Just curious. I've never dabbled up until May of this year with the new kid on the block, Chia. The "Use any old hardware you have kicking around" (since it's Proof of space, not proof of work like the others like Bitcoin which require beefy expensive computers) was appealing to me, and I had an old desktop that was more than adequate for the plotting phase, and enough old idled hard drives (which are the core of the Chia system based on storage, not processor power) to get started.

I did invest a few hundred bucks on some more hard drive space a month or so later. Comparatively I'm still a thimble in the Atlantic ocean, but hey, the whole thing turned my gears.

I hit 2 coins inside the first few weeks. Lucky. Very lucky. At the time that was about $650 worth which put me up significantly. I've since bought a few more 16tb hard drives and continue to expand, and moved onto pools which are earning me about $1.25/day right now at current Chia prices of around $180USD - down from when I hit. $1.25/day (in coin equivalent based on current prices) isn't much, but I'm just going to keep building coins and let them ride. Even after daily hydro costs I'm still turning a profit, so hey.

Their current value isn't remotely life changing money, but if they go stratospheric in a few years like Bitcoin or Eth has done, well, with the number of coins I might have at that point, it could be a little retirement nest egg.

Or it could crater and be worth the equivalent of a few beers at my local. Who knows.

I do know that I don't want to be like Bitcoin Pizza guy who wasted a bunch of Bitcoin back in 2010 on a few pizzas when those same coins would be worth $3.8 Billion (Yes, with a B) today. That's expensive pizza. I'll let things ride for at least 5 years before making any decisions.

Curious if anyone else dabbles.
 
I have definitely dabbled on and off for a couple years now. It seemed that every time I bought some bitcoin, thinking it was ready to go up, it would drop. The price movements seem a lot more random than stocks, and the markets are 97% controlled by the whales. I did a lot better playing with stocks using mostly fundamental analysis and gut instinct.. Using technical analysis solely is a fool's game. I think the end is of the party is soon coming for crypto.
 
I put some money down for the lulz, dont actually mine it, despite the china ban it seems to be doing ok
 
Crypto has no inherent value, nothing supporting its value and no powerful entity pushing it to maintain its value. Sure there are some whales but I suspect that they have the majority of their money in crypto. If things start dropping, I doubt they have enough external money to throw in to prop it up.

I will likely never invest real money in crypto. Your mining strategy is interesting. There are some computers and hard drives kicking around with no purpose in life.

Overall, crypto is earth destroying BS. Literally tons of emissions destroying the planet to generate fake returns that aren't all that easy to convert into anything else.
 
I will likely never invest real money in crypto.

It's hard to debate that a lot of people have made billions on it. But my mantra with it thus far that I wouldn't spend any more on it then I'd walk into a casino with and gamble away for ***** and giggles, and that ain't much. I could afford way more, but I'm not a gambling man.

But if I can spend $0.45/day in electricity to make $1/day in profit based on current Chia prices, and potentially tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars more years down the road if this one takes off like many others, well, hey....***** and giggles, right?

I'm totally prepared to have it crater and and up doing little more than breaking even in 5-10 years. If that's the case, then so be it.

Others have invested tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in their setups. That'll never be me....the time to ROI is just insanely bad right now. But the same arguments were made about Bitcoin when it started.

As for the emissions, yeah, no crypto is perfect, but Chia is built around being as green as possible - the original premise (albeit lost on many) is to use what you might already have kicking around....and the overall energy demands are literally a pittance compared to the others like Bitcoin.

So yeah, full on ***** and giggles for me at this point.
 
As for the emissions, yeah, no crypto is perfect, but Chia is built around being as green as possible - the original premise (albeit lost on many) is to use what you might already have kicking around....and the overall energy demands are literally a pittance compared to the others like Bitcoin.
It's only remotely green if it is fulfilling a useful purpose. As most exist right now, they are like crap MLM schemes where the only people buying the products are the suckers at the bottom of the pyramid forced to buy stock so the people up the pyramid make profit. Who uses chia for anything other than generating and hoarding chia? What function does it provide other than existing on paper?
 
The whole crypto thing reminds me of the “get rich quick” schemes of yore where the only ones making out like bandits were the ones selling the books on how to “get rich quick”.
 
It's only remotely green if it is fulfilling a useful purpose

Chia is based around a blockchain.

They actually serve real world purposes.


I'm not saying cryptos are perfect by any stretch, but there's a lot of misunderstanding about what they are and how they work as well...or what their goals are. Case in point with some of the responses here.
 
My main issue is that it would seem to make it easier to launder money.
 
Chia is based around a blockchain.

They actually serve real world purposes.

I know blockchain can have real world applications but ime, many of them are a solution in search of a problem. Tracking cobalt from a mine to the factory via blockchain? That's a load of crap. Nothing ties the physical cobalt to the generated blockchain. I could do the same thing throwing a piece of paper with a lot number in the top of the hopper. They just want to say they are cutting edge.

Now blockchain can have real world applications, but what useful applications is chia actually being used for? If it had a real use case, it should be trivial to find it (eg. I know foxconn makes a lot of apple hardware, I can find out lots of information on what they do, who the main customers are, who the main players are, etc in seconds of searching). If a "blockchain" organization can't explain why they are better for the end user or who uses them, imo that's because they are ghost that exists solely for their own purposes (with potentially tangential experiments being run using the technology).
 
My main issue is that it would seem to make it easier to launder money.
It's already so easy if you want to clean millions or less using conventional methods. Cleaning billions is harder. Now, for the laundering to work, you need to get it back out of the ether (an aptly named crypto) and into something spendable (fiat, gold, drugs, etc). If you have Billions in crypto, doing that conversion is probably next to impossible.
 
I know blockchain can have real world applications but ime, many of them are a solution in search of a problem.

Did you read the article I linked? In detail?

You're suggesting all those companies are working with blockchain..."just because it's cool" or something?

Walmart doesn't do anything that doesn't benefit them, to name but one.

Maersk? Tons of airlines? Oil companies? Lots of banks?

Here's a scholarly list of what Blockchain is all about.

 
Two things:
1. Blockchain technology is a thing. I see value in it. Its not going away.
2. Digital currencies trade on blockchains...they were the first use case for blockchain... they are just cryptos...they only go up in value when more people buy them.

I wouldn't assume the rise of blockchain technology promises a rise in the value of cryptos.
 
Did you read the article I linked? In detail?

You're suggesting all those companies are working with blockchain..."just because it's cool" or something?

Walmart doesn't do anything that doesn't benefit them, to name but one.

Maersk? Tons of airlines? Oil companies? Lots of banks?

Here's a scholarly list of what Blockchain is all about.

I looked at a lot of the use cases detailed. They sucked imo. This is theoretically the top 50 use cases

BBVA, completed a single loan
Intesa Sanpaolo testing
Barclays streamlining processes, applied for patents. Pretty weak description
HSBC planning
Visa allows business to business blockchain payments
de beers track diamonds (again, fatal flaw in correlating a physical diamond to the blockchain that is tracking it)
Unilever will (ie future) track supply chain
Walmart using an IBM system to backup their supply chain process (is blockchain necessary or marketing? only IBM knows), plan to track foods from farmers to customers (even worse correlation between digital and product than diamonds)

That's the first eight and I haven't seen a single remotely compelling case. I have seen a lot of buzzwords and attempts to distract people from reality by pretending that things are far more secure and traceable than they actually are. So, there may be a legitimate business case for blockchain to pull the wool over peoples eyes that their cobalt and diamonds came from ethical sources.
 
I looked at a lot of the use cases detailed. They sucked imo. This is theoretically the top 50 use cases

BBVA, completed a single loan
Intesa Sanpaolo testing
Barclays streamlining processes, applied for patents. Pretty weak description
HSBC planning
Visa allows business to business blockchain payments
de beers track diamonds (again, fatal flaw in correlating a physical diamond to the blockchain that is tracking it)
Unilever will (ie future) track supply chain
Walmart using an IBM system to backup their supply chain process (is blockchain necessary or marketing? only IBM knows), plan to track foods from farmers to customers (even worse correlation between digital and product than diamonds)

That's the first eight and I haven't seen a single remotely compelling case. I have seen a lot of buzzwords and attempts to distract people from reality by pretending that things are far more secure and traceable than they actually are. So, there may be a legitimate business case for blockchain to pull the wool over peoples eyes that their cobalt and diamonds came from ethical sources.

diamonds can be laser etched How to Read the GIA Laser Inscription on Your Diamond

not sure how that plays into this argument as you can cut a facet off the diamond that has the etching
 
diamonds can be laser etched How to Read the GIA Laser Inscription on Your Diamond

not sure how that plays into this argument as you can cut a facet off the diamond that has the etching
Or I can etch the code onto a different similar diamond. Take a diamond from a bad region, find a diamond from a good region with similar characteristics, tag it, cleaned. The blockchain confirms this is from a good region so you can pay a premium price.

I assume they are only marking diamonds from good regions but if for some reason you wanted to make a tag that couldn't be removed, lower powered laser beams from multiple directions allow you to etch inside the stone. To get rid of it, you either need to blast in a big inclusion or cut a bunch of the stone off.
 
Or I can etch the code onto a different similar diamond. Take a diamond from a bad region, find a diamond from a good region with similar characteristics, tag it, cleaned. The blockchain confirms this is from a good region so you can pay a premium price.

I assume they are only marking diamonds from good regions but if for some reason you wanted to make a tag that couldn't be removed, lower powered laser beams from multiple directions allow you to etch inside the stone. To get rid of it, you either need to blast in a big inclusion or cut a bunch of the stone off.

Each diamond has a unique signature (not the microscopic engraving) which can be stored in the blockchain along with prevalence information.

Don’t discount the value in the blockchain just because you don’t know what you don’t know.


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