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Afghanistan has fallen
- Thread starter Roadghost
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Chris-CJ
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The British tried, the Russians tried, NATO and the US tried and all of these forces had to evacuate. Next to move in will be the Chinese and they will achieve a stay with economic might.
Someone/Somebody, had to unite the TB for them to achieve the takeover in such a short time, was it a neighbour to the East?
Someone/Somebody, had to unite the TB for them to achieve the takeover in such a short time, was it a neighbour to the East?
I wonder how all the Canadians that served Canada and some gave their life for what seems to be a difficult outcome must feel about all tnis. Im not sure if anything other than finding and killing Bin Laden was accomplished. Was it worth it? Im not sure. Someone else will just take his place. The country is going back to the dark ages. How many lives were lost by the coalition just to capture one person?
Was there any other objectives other than that? Seems like they didnt even put a dent into defeating the Taliban. All that modern warfare equipment, trained soulders etc. And the outcome . Les than a month after you bail out the other side takes everything back in one month that took you 20 years to accomplish.
I really feel for our Canadian service men and women on this one. They gave up alot to serve. I just hope something good came out of all of this.
Was there any other objectives other than that? Seems like they didnt even put a dent into defeating the Taliban. All that modern warfare equipment, trained soulders etc. And the outcome . Les than a month after you bail out the other side takes everything back in one month that took you 20 years to accomplish.
I really feel for our Canadian service men and women on this one. They gave up alot to serve. I just hope something good came out of all of this.
J_F
Guest
a pariah nation again
no more schooling for girls
daily beatings for wives
foreign sh1t bird groups will be welcome again
it's going to be ugly for Afghanis
this from Senator Benn Sasse, one of the few Republicans that still behaves like an adult:
"History must be clear about this: American troops didn’t lose this war – Donald Trump and Joe Biden deliberately decided to lose.
Politicians lied: America’s options were never simply this disgraceful withdrawal or an endless occupation force of 100,000 troops,
(we haven’t had that in Afghanistan in a decade)."
"America’s leaders didn’t tell the truth that our small, forward-deployed force of a few thousand was the backbone of intelligence
and special forces’ successful work to decapitate terror organizations," his statement read. "The looming defeat will badly hurt
American intelligence and give jihadis a safe haven in Afghanistan, again. America will regret this.
Our allies will trust us less and our adversaries fear us less. "
no more schooling for girls
daily beatings for wives
foreign sh1t bird groups will be welcome again
it's going to be ugly for Afghanis
this from Senator Benn Sasse, one of the few Republicans that still behaves like an adult:
"History must be clear about this: American troops didn’t lose this war – Donald Trump and Joe Biden deliberately decided to lose.
Politicians lied: America’s options were never simply this disgraceful withdrawal or an endless occupation force of 100,000 troops,
(we haven’t had that in Afghanistan in a decade)."
"America’s leaders didn’t tell the truth that our small, forward-deployed force of a few thousand was the backbone of intelligence
and special forces’ successful work to decapitate terror organizations," his statement read. "The looming defeat will badly hurt
American intelligence and give jihadis a safe haven in Afghanistan, again. America will regret this.
Our allies will trust us less and our adversaries fear us less. "
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J_F
Guest
read up on ISAF
provide security so a secular government could be formed and elected
supplanting the fundamentalist Taliban sudo-government that allowed foreign terror camps to operate
Roadghost
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The U.S. asked the Taliban to hand over Al Qaeda. They refused. The U.S. then invaded and removed the Taliban from power, cleansed Al Qaeda from the country. That was the goal. They then made the mistake of trying to install a democratic government in a very complex country of tribal rivalries. Though the Taliban have now retaken power, the old rivalries will once again materialize. Afghanistan has never been fully unified, there has always been civil war.
The only leader to tame Afghanistan was Genghis Khan. He did it by slaughtering off all the men.
Mad Mike
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You can go to war and kill men however killing a man hardens his brothers' ideology.
Ideology is not an army, it's hard to fight. Radicalized Muslims will flock to Afghanistan, either to live under sharia laws or to be in a safe haven for Jihad training.
I suspect Afghanistan will head closer to life in the middle ages as it's gov't will neither be capable of governing, nor will they have international support, aid or investment. Life will get reduced to day to day survival.
Ideology is not an army, it's hard to fight. Radicalized Muslims will flock to Afghanistan, either to live under sharia laws or to be in a safe haven for Jihad training.
I suspect Afghanistan will head closer to life in the middle ages as it's gov't will neither be capable of governing, nor will they have international support, aid or investment. Life will get reduced to day to day survival.
J_F
Guest
maybe I'm naïveI could do that, but what was the real reason
Years ago a met this guy who was reading a book about that area, and basically it came down to who controlled the oil pipelines. All started well before Afghan war.
but I really think it was to stabilize the country and remove the terrorist camps
logical response to the tragedy of 9/11
To Mad Mikes point, that's crap. Unless you completely destroy every last person in the culture you dislike, you are just putting a temporary dent in the problem. They will come back with the same issues and ideologies that you didn't want the first time. This was temporary to say they did something, there was never an attempt to make a permanent change. Was it worth the investment in money and lives to gain a few years of stability? If yes, why is it no longer worth the investment?
I am not advocating genocide, however short of that, it is just governments wasting money and pretending.
Chris-CJ
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Chinese officials and Taliban meet in Tianjin as US exits Afghanistan | CNN
China's Foreign Minister met with senior leaders of the Taliban in the northern Chinese city of Tianjin on Wednesday in the latest sign of warming ties between Beijing and the resurgent Islamist group.
www.cnn.com
Ironic, isn't it?
The country could become part of the "One Belt, One Road" plan.
J_F
Guest
yupChinese officials and Taliban meet in Tianjin as US exits Afghanistan | CNN
China's Foreign Minister met with senior leaders of the Taliban in the northern Chinese city of Tianjin on Wednesday in the latest sign of warming ties between Beijing and the resurgent Islamist group.
Ironic, isn't it?
The country could become part of the "One Belt, One Road" plan.
although they - China, are not a co-religionist
I don't think that matters to the Taliban
they want control of Afghanistan and run a theocracy
they'll take money from anyone that helps fund that
like the US during the war with Russia
from the poppy growers or anyone else they can shake down
and from al Quaida to run the terrorist camps
they are a classic gangster organization
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