A very long rant about crowdfunding

Rob MacLennan

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I also posted this on Facebook. It's something that has been bothering me a great deal lately.

[h=5]A Very Long Rant Follows:

Crowdfunding sites like Kickstarter and Indiegogo; they're a source of funding for people who have an idea but no conventional funding source, nor a history that could be used to obtain a bank loan for it. I considered it, briefly, when I was starting my first photobook but it turned out to be too problematic and costly, for a project that small. Still, it's been a valuable source of start-up funding for indie movie production houses, for getting books published, and for starting up production of interesting hardware. The indie producers that I support are all on Kickstarter.

This model has its ups and downs. Surely there have been people who have funded campaigns and then just kept the money, without providing what they promised. These are, however, few and far between. By and large the model has been successful. Products like the 'Othermill' affordable desktop CNC machine are making it to maket specifically because of crowdfunding. I've got a stack of DVDs, of movies and 'online TV shows', that were produced through crowd funding.

Unfortunately there's a recent trend, that threatens the continuation of the crowdfunding model. People who have ready sources of investor cash are turning to crowdfunding to fund their projects. This is because they have to pay back conventional investments, or take a chance that their own not inconsiderable personal funds might not make a return, but people who give them funding through crowdfunding can typically be bought off with a t-shirt or autographed tchotchke. In other words, for them, it's essentially free money. They're poisoning the well. The recent Kickstarter projects for the "Veronica Mars" movie ($5,702,153.00) and Spike Lee's rather self indulgently named "The Newest Hottest Spike Lee Joint" funding project ($1,418,910.00) immediately come to mind.

For comparison purposes Spike Lee's Kickstarter campaign offers, for a $50.00 investment, an autographed script page from "Jim Brown; All American." Over the weekend the Kickstarter campaign for " Space Janitors", a made-in-Toronto web series, offered autographed DVDs of all three seasons (the two previous and season 3) and access to their ongoing production blogs, including such things as the 3D wireframes that they used for their CGI.

I urge you to not support projects started by people who can clearly manage on their own. They give you nothing new. They give you little or nothing in return for your funding. They take what could be used by more innovative people. They destroy the funding model. The people who use the model responsibly realize when they're starting to outgrow the model. For example Zombie Orpheus Entertainment, who have produced a goodly number of projects through Kickstarter campaigns, have realized that they've become too large, to exclusively fund their projects this way and have created a direct subscription model called "Phase II." They will continue to fund through crowdfunding, but will now have stable funding with which they can keep production rolling, on a day-to-day basis.

TLDR: Support the little guys who give you something innovative and new. Ignore the big players who don't need you but will gladly take your money, giving nothing in return.[/h]
 
Agree completely.
 
I want to rant about the amount of people who are asking for money. Seems like EVERY unemployed friend we know has sent in a request to fund their great thing.

I have a hard time investing in people that don't invest in themselves. I'm old school-if you want my money in on a project then put your own in first.
 
I want to rant about the amount of people who are asking for money. Seems like EVERY unemployed friend we know has sent in a request to fund their great thing.

I have a hard time investing in people that don't invest in themselves. I'm old school-if you want my money in on a project then put your own in first.

Most people who go to crowdfunding have put in a pretty large amount of time, personal funds, or both in order to get the project that far. If you don't see a concrete base to an idea, don't fund it.
 
I want to rant about the amount of people who are asking for money. Seems like EVERY unemployed friend we know has sent in a request to fund their great thing.

On this note, a friend of mine for his upcoming 40th birthday is asking for in lieu of presents, donations to a few different options. I thought this was interesting, sort of a gift registry for a major milestone birthday vs getting crap you don't want. Others were kind of offended because some of he things the birthday person were really expensive, eg. a trip, and some of the things you could donate to were specific excursions.

Back to the topic at hand, I agree with Rob 100%. For the large projects, it's like getting shareholders without the commitment and accountability and/or like getting a bank loan without having to create a business case and paying the interest. Unfortunately, the world is full of lemmings that embrace them for the cost of a t-shirt. Plus the lemmings feel more personal investment into the project. Too bad they can't see this for what it is -- just another way to make money off you.

/end mini rant.
 
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This is why we can't have nice things in planet Earth - Someone will always find a way to scam/profit from it and ruin it for everyone else.

The world is changing from Productive people to Opportunistic people.
 
On this note, a friend of mine for her upcoming 40th birthday is asking for in lieu of presents, donations to a few different options. I thought this was interesting, sort of a gift registry for a major milestone birthday vs getting crap you don't want. Other were kind of offended because some of he things the birthday person were really expensive, eg. a trip, and some of the things you could donate to were specific excursions.

Back to the topic at hand, I agree with Rob 100%. For the large projects, it's like getting shareholders without the commitment and accountability and/or like getting a bank loan without having to create a business case and paying the interest. Unfortunately, the world is full of lemmings that embrace them for the cost of a t-shirt. Plus the lemmings feel more personal investment into the project. Too bad they can't see this for what it is -- just another way to make money off you.

/end mini rant.

Are you serious??

Wow. I look at how my friends and I do birthdays and we don't really get eachother that much. Usually a birthday means a night out for dinner and a few drinks. A donation in lieu of presents wouldn't get them very much!
 
On this note, a friend of mine for her upcoming 40th birthday is asking for in lieu of presents, donations to a few different options. I thought this was interesting, sort of a gift registry for a major milestone birthday vs getting crap you don't want. Other were kind of offended because some of he things the birthday person were really expensive, eg. a trip, and some of the things you could donate to were specific excursions.

Back to the topic at hand, I agree with Rob 100%. For the large projects, it's like getting shareholders without the commitment and accountability and/or like getting a bank loan without having to create a business case and paying the interest. Unfortunately, the world is full of lemmings that embrace them for the cost of a t-shirt. Plus the lemmings feel more personal investment into the project. Too bad they can't see this for what it is -- just another way to make money off you.

/end mini rant.

That's actually a great idea. I always have a hard time telling people gift ideas for me because if it's affordable, I just buy it for myself. Otherwise, it's too expensive to ask someone else for, too.
 
Are you serious??

Wow. I look at how my friends and I do birthdays and we don't really get eachother that much. Usually a birthday means a night out for dinner and a few drinks. A donation in lieu of presents wouldn't get them very much!

Yup. either buy them drinks or pay for their dinner (or both). That's the best way for me.
 
That's actually a great idea. I always have a hard time telling people gift ideas for me because if it's affordable, I just buy it for myself. Otherwise, it's too expensive to ask someone else for, too.

Yup, same here. Hell, I used to invite my friends out for dinner without telling them it was my birthday. I don't need anyone buying gifts for me.

I guess that I shouldn't be surprised that celebutants are now hitting up the general public for funding. After all, it's been quite a while since hot girls started posting their 'wish lists' online so lonely guys could buy them stuff, without a chance of gettin' any. It's all downhill from there.
 
Its a different source of crowdfunding but I'm really burnt out on Indigo/Chapters hitting me for a donation to there love of reading program and CTC needing a donation for the jumpstart program and the LCBO never stopping fundraising for sick kids hospital, Walmart needing funding for whatever they run. I get it, ALL charities are important and deserve funding, but I'm sick of getting hit up 3-4 times a day.
 
Its a different source of crowdfunding but I'm really burnt out on Indigo/Chapters hitting me for a donation to there love of reading program and CTC needing a donation for the jumpstart program and the LCBO never stopping fundraising for sick kids hospital, Walmart needing funding for whatever they run. I get it, ALL charities are important and deserve funding, but I'm sick of getting hit up 3-4 times a day.

That's not crowdfunding, it's a company being able to say. "Look how much money WE donated to the cause."
 
This is why we can't have nice things in planet Earth - Someone will always find a way to scam/profit from it and ruin it for everyone else.

The world is changing from Productive people to Opportunistic people.

I think it has always been that way ...

If you think the crowdfunding situation is bad (and there is a lot of potential for rip-off inherent in that), just look at how little charitable organizations (hospitals, etc) get from many of the charitable programs that they operate. The lotteries run by charitable organizations are notoriously inefficient at raising funds - and it's nothing new.

Crowdfunding in my view is not unlike getting "venture capital" from speculative investors. There are many start-up companies whose real business model involves writing an attractive-sounding story with the objective of separating venture capitalists from their money. I got bitten once (a couple decades ago) by venture capitalists and their crooked stockbrokers and lost almost all of a (fortunately small) investment ... never again. Sorry, crowdfunders ... I'm not buying in.
 
Hence why the vast majority of my crowdfunding experience is with more established groups. I missed out on the only one-off that I'd have bought in on for the full pop of $999.00, and that was Othermill.
 
I think it has always been that way ...

If you think the crowdfunding situation is bad (and there is a lot of potential for rip-off inherent in that), just look at how little charitable organizations (hospitals, etc) get from many of the charitable programs that they operate. The lotteries run by charitable organizations are notoriously inefficient at raising funds - and it's nothing new.

Crowdfunding in my view is not unlike getting "venture capital" from speculative investors. There are many start-up companies whose real business model involves writing an attractive-sounding story with the objective of separating venture capitalists from their money. I got bitten once (a couple decades ago) by venture capitalists and their crooked stockbrokers and lost almost all of a (fortunately small) investment ... never again. Sorry, crowdfunders ... I'm not buying in.

That's just it Brian, there's no investment! It's basically a donation without the tax receipt. The company or whatever they are just has to make a compelling video, not a business plan.
 
some of he things the birthday person were really expensive, eg. a trip, and some of the things you could donate to were specific excursions.

Crowdfunding someone's excursion(s)? What a load of crap. I don't know anyone who would even think about making such a request, nor do I want to.
 
Agree completely.
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Are you serious??

Wow. I look at how my friends and I do birthdays and we don't really get eachother that much. Usually a birthday means a night out for dinner and a few drinks. A donation in lieu of presents wouldn't get them very much!

Most men don't get each other gifts. I remember a guy friend bought me a calendar one year. He insisted that I don't get him anything in return. I kinda lol

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Regarding the $1 and $2 donations. I would be more willing to donate if I got the receipt for my taxes.
 
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