90 days jail, 10 year driving ban

CruisnGrrl said:
http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada...atal-crash-gets-90-days-behind-bars-1.2153205

What's to stop her from moving and applying for a licence somewhere else?

90 days isn't bad considering most careless/dangerous drivers get much less if anything.
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If it is a criminal record, then she might have a hard time leaving the country.

If she tried to move to a different province, I think all of the provinces are linked now and will know she is not eligible to get a license.
 
What's the penalty for driving without a license?
 
nfq said:
What's the penalty for driving without a license?
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90 days jail and 10 year driving ban.




Seriously, I don't think that is close to enough, it is to be served on Sat and Sundays. Basically a few weekends away from home.
 
MarcosSantiago said:
90 days jail and 10 year driving ban.




Seriously, I don't think that is close to enough, it is to be served on Sat and Sundays. Basically a few weekends away from home.
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Keep in mind that serving your sentence on weekends is not necessarily better. You'll have to endure anal/vaginal cavity searches by the police every weekend.
 
I haven't been following this so correct me if I'm wrong.If motorcyclists hit a stopped car from behind,are they not responsible for the accident? Yes it wAs foolish of her to stop and she wasn't even in the car.Am I missing something?
 
meme said:
350 and a ticket on your record for a few years
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And since she doesn't have a license to lose anymore, guess it means free driving!
 
nfq said:
And since she doesn't have a license to lose anymore, guess it means free driving!
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I believe since she will be on parole while outside, if caught driving she can lose the current deal and go to jail for a longer period of time. I assume, don't really know or care, she is not a criminal, just terribly stupid and self centered like most people of that age.
 
Bobo said:
I haven't been following this so correct me if I'm wrong.If motorcyclists hit a stopped car from behind,are they not responsible for the accident? Yes it wAs foolish of her to stop and she wasn't even in the car.Am I missing something?
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Wasn't just foolish it was negligent. If you hit a car that is stopped when there is a reasonable expectation that it may be stopped (i.e city street, stop sign, stop light, possibly even the right side of the highway shoulder) then yes you are right they would have been at fault. But she was stopped, no hazards, on the left side of the narrow highway in busy traffic.
 
Subenz said:
Wasn't just foolish it was negligent. If you hit a car that is stopped when there is a reasonable expectation that it may be stopped (i.e city street, stop sign, stop light, possibly even the right side of the highway shoulder) then yes you are right they would have been at fault. But she was stopped, no hazards, on the left side of the narrow highway in busy traffic.
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I think it's a "reasonable expectation" that a car may be stopped on a public highway at anytime,anywhere.Breakdowns,tow trucks,road service vehicles,police,ambulance,ice cream trucks immediately come to mind.The motorcyclists ran into what was essentially an illegally parked car.They were either going too fast or not paying attention.Im not defending the driver, she got what she deserved but the motorcyclists are at least 50% at fault. I don't care what side of the road the car was on or which direction it was facing,it was a parked car.
 
Subenz said:
Wasn't just foolish it was negligent.
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So, what's the point? There is a lot of open interpretation to what you mean by "negligence". The real debate is whether a person should reasonably consider it a criminally negligent action.


Bobo, your going to get a lot of dismissal of your position (not from me per se). But I can add that from what I remember the motorcyclist was speeding around 126 in a 90 zone. And the rider that died had enough time to warn his wife on the other bike before the accident (including gesticulating) of the parked vehicle in their lane ahead of them.
 
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All I'm saying is that if I ran into a parked car in broad daylight,and I'm assuming it was broad daylight as ducks are not nocturnal animals,I would feel pretty stupid.The one thing I've learned from forty years of riding (accident free) on the road is to always expect the unexpected It really doesn't matter if the driver was helping ducks cross the road or giving her boyfriend a blow job,that's irrelevant.I never crest hills or go around blind corners without being prepared to stop suddenly.They still teach everybody that in rider training don't they?My sympathy goes out to the motorcyclists but what if they had hit a cop car that had stopped to attend to a broken down vehicle?Im sure the outcome would have been different.
 
Bobo said:
I never crest hills or go around blind corners without being prepared to stop suddenly.They still teach everybody that in rider training don't they?
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I would find it annoying to the extreme if somebody parked in the middle of the lane on the other side of a hill crest or blind corner because, hey no problem, they teach sudden stops in rider training. It's a very dangerous thing to do. Shows total disregard for other motorists.
 
inreb said:
I would find it annoying to the extreme if somebody parked in the middle of the lane on the other side of a hill crest or blind corner because, hey no problem, they teach sudden stops in rider training. It's a very dangerous thing to do. Shows total disregard for other motorists.
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Yes, annoying and dangerous but it should not have resulted in death.
 
Bobo said:
I think it's a "reasonable expectation" that a car may be stopped on a public highway at anytime,anywhere.Breakdowns,tow trucks,road service vehicles,police,ambulance,ice cream trucks immediately come to mind.The motorcyclists ran into what was essentially an illegally parked car.They were either going too fast or not paying attention.Im not defending the driver, she got what she deserved but the motorcyclists are at least 50% at fault. I don't care what side of the road the car was on or which direction it was facing,it was a parked car.
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Emma Czornobaj parked her car in the (live) left lane of the highway and exited her vehicle. She walked over to the right lane to shepherd the ducklings and in so doing became a visual distraction for other motorists, including Mr André Roy who was riding his motorcycle in the left lane.
Emma is responsible for both hazards that contributed to the death of Mr Roy and his daughter. :(
 
Bobo said:
Yes, annoying and dangerous but it should not have resulted in death.
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I do get where you're coming from. It just pisses me off that some people make extremely poor decisions in traffic. If the unexpected is a mud slide that's one thing but deliberately choosing to place her car like that needs punishment, imho.
 
Bobo said:
I haven't been following this so correct me if I'm wrong.If motorcyclists hit a stopped car from behind,are they not responsible for the accident? Yes it wAs foolish of her to stop and she wasn't even in the car.Am I missing something?
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http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?183060
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?187642

There's basically three threads discussing this including this one. You'll find your answer in the 16 page thread.
 
IXFe said:
.... Emma is responsible for both hazards that contributed to the death of Mr Roy and his daughter. :(
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Again. So what are you trying to say? More vague wording in posts. There is a big difference between basic and criminal negligence. Where on that scale should her actions sit?

iFly55 said:
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?183060
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?187642

There's basically three threads discussing this including this one. You'll find your answer in the 16 page thread.
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Lot's of info in the posts, but not necessarily good information on what the proper conclusion is wrt determining culpability in a basic versus criminal negligence evaluation.
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