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- Thread starter abkdt41
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bboySushi
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what a crappy 'speeding' ticket.
Don't worry about demerit points, that only goes towards license suspension and you'd need to have quite a few. Demerit points don't affect insurance.
Possible outcome of going to court:
1. Found guilty, pay what you already had to pay
2. Cop doesn't show up and you are free to go
Basically your situation can only get better if you go to court. Not sure what kind of insurance situation you're in, but you may want to hire some representation; I would recommend Redline Legal Services. contact them before doing anything (going to first attendance, booking trial, etc.) for their opinion.
Don't worry about demerit points, that only goes towards license suspension and you'd need to have quite a few. Demerit points don't affect insurance.
Possible outcome of going to court:
1. Found guilty, pay what you already had to pay
2. Cop doesn't show up and you are free to go
Basically your situation can only get better if you go to court. Not sure what kind of insurance situation you're in, but you may want to hire some representation; I would recommend Redline Legal Services. contact them before doing anything (going to first attendance, booking trial, etc.) for their opinion.
MarcosSantiago
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Another outcome: You talk to the prosecutor and plead guilty to the "failure to surrender license" if he is willing to forget about the speeding 15-over.
I keep posting this possibility because in a two-ticket-scenario it would work out best for you (for insurance purposes). I know people will reply that prosecutors do not like to do that (dismiss a speeding ticket in order to convict on a missing-documents ticket), but you should at least ask for it (maybe at first attendance).
Good luck
I keep posting this possibility because in a two-ticket-scenario it would work out best for you (for insurance purposes). I know people will reply that prosecutors do not like to do that (dismiss a speeding ticket in order to convict on a missing-documents ticket), but you should at least ask for it (maybe at first attendance).
Good luck
having either of the two tickets on your record will increase your insurance by the EXACT same amount; they both share the EXACT same consequences
why are you suggesting the 'speeding' ticket is weighed more than the 'fail to surrender license' w.r.t. insurance
I just don`t understand why, if you fail to have your paper on you, some insurer will increase your premium. It`s not safety related so insurance should not increase...If you have any other answer than "our insurance system is crap" which I totally agree.
abkdt41
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is there any chance that both tickets will be dropped
any way i can try to convince the judge that I was outside of the 40 km/h zone when the officer clocked me
and that my wallet was just misplaced
i also have a 10 km/h speeding ticket from last year on my abstract - just wondering if this will have any bearing on this trial
any way i can try to convince the judge that I was outside of the 40 km/h zone when the officer clocked me
and that my wallet was just misplaced
i also have a 10 km/h speeding ticket from last year on my abstract - just wondering if this will have any bearing on this trial
The thing about your wallet being misplaced is 'pleading guilty, with an explanation.' In other words, pleading guilty. That doesn't help your situation.
Previous infractions have no bearing on the current situation, except from the standpoint of insurance rates. Or presumably if you're a habitual problem case, where penalties are concerned.
Insurance companies categorize offences into three categories: Minor, Major and Serious; Speeding upto +49kph is considered Minor, and so is a slew of other moving and non-moving offences; Major would be fail to report accident; Serious would be +50kph and Stunting
you would have to prove you were in atleast a 60kph zone, the misplaced wallet won't work; a better strategy would be to attack the speed measuring device's reliability and accuracy
i believe the only excuse to maybe get out of fail to surrender license; is if you lost your license, filed a police report and were en-route to get a temp. slip?
you would have to file both the tickets at the courts with your intent to go to trial; wait for your notice of trial, and request disclosure: officer's notes + LIDAR/RADAR manual
the prosecutor may bring your complete driving abstract (ICON), if you choose to go to trial... the courts would be less likely to reduce your fine upon a guilty-conviction, and may even choose to raise the fine upto $1000.00 because you're a repeat offender
MarcosSantiago
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The weight and corresponding $$$ penalty of each ticket is up to the specific insurance company. There are no Canada-wide rules or policies that define what a minor or major tickets are, % of increase, etc. So I cannot tell for sure if a speeding ticket will cost him more (in premium increases) than a documents-not-present ticket, but I believe it does.</SPAN></SPAN>
So, a few thoughts here:</SPAN></SPAN>
** Chances of getting off (winning) two tickets by the same officer are slim. Only sure way out is if the officer does not show up. But how do you ensure the officer does not show up? That is not under our control. Other than that, everything is up in the air, and you are taking the risk of worse case scenario - getting two convictions. </SPAN></SPAN>
** If he can choose one, he should choose the plead guilty to documents not present</SPAN></SPAN>
** He should call his insurance company and ask the consequence of each ticket, and pray they release the correct information to him.</SPAN></SPAN>
you are forgetting the other two elements of the holy trinity
1. Officer No-show
2. No/lack of disclosure (Section 7 Charter Violation)
3. Ticket to Trial Delay of +11mths* [R. v. Andrade] (Section 11b Charter Violation)
*Andrade was made at the appeal level therefore it is binding
all of the above can get both tickets tossed, w/o plea-bargaining
1. Officer No-show
2. No/lack of disclosure (Section 7 Charter Violation)
3. Ticket to Trial Delay of +11mths* [R. v. Andrade] (Section 11b Charter Violation)
*Andrade was made at the appeal level therefore it is binding
all of the above can get both tickets tossed, w/o plea-bargaining
Congrats. That must be a great relief! How did you manage to get both charges dropped??
abkdt41
Well-known member
i asked for disclosure twice - didnt receive it
when i went to court, i spoke with the prosecutor - she said the speeding ticket will be squashed because the fine of the ticket was much greater than it should have been
she offered to reduce the other tickets fine (surrender license) if i pleaded guilty - i told her no, i lost it and thats why i couldnt give it to the officer
she dropped both charges in front of the judge
when i went to court, i spoke with the prosecutor - she said the speeding ticket will be squashed because the fine of the ticket was much greater than it should have been
she offered to reduce the other tickets fine (surrender license) if i pleaded guilty - i told her no, i lost it and thats why i couldnt give it to the officer
she dropped both charges in front of the judge
...wat.
You got a mighty nice prosecutor...unless the cop was a no-show. Did you look for him/her in the room?
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