DC plane crash

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I think he is currently # eight at AC as captain in seniority on the triple seven , even AC wouldnt put up with that long I don’t think .


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I think he is currently # eight at AC as captain in seniority on the triple seven , even AC would put up with long I don’t think .


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Sadly performance barely matters with collective agreement. If you fail a check ride, you get more sim time. If you screw up, you get a reprimand. Those with seniority very rarely get cut.
 
I wonder where the new crews are also going to come from , the new agreement kept many from going to a US carrier for way more dough, however there is a crap ton about to retire in the next five yrs .


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crankcall said:
I wonder where the new crews are also going to come from , the new agreement kept many from going to a US carrier for way more dough, however there is a crap ton about to retire in the next five yrs .


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Apparently there was a window (which is now closed) where the poorly planned contracts had young pilots going straight from puddle jumpers to wide bodies. Pay and hours were crap for four years but now they are 10 years ahead on the normal career progression.
 
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If plane is nose-up, which is to be expected when it is on final approach, it will be harder to see what's in front but a little below. And, both pilot and copilot will be busy with things to do at that time, and wouldn't be scanning the entire field of view for something that isn't supposed to be there and which claims to have the other traffic in view according to radio communication.

It's insane that the line of approach isn't completely off limits to any other air traffic, no matter civilian or military.
 
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If plane is nose-up, which is to be expected when it is on final approach, it will be harder to see what's in front but a little below. And, both pilot and copilot will be busy with things to do at that time, and wouldn't be scanning the entire field of view for something that isn't supposed to be there and which claims to have the other traffic in view according to radio communication.

It's insane that the line of approach isn't completely off limits to any other air traffic, no matter civilian or military.
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Priority Air Transport. VIP's don't feel nearly as important if they have to take the long way around. Follow the egos.
 
FAA wants to be "proactive" and has substantially curtailed helicopters on the flight path now.

"There are exemptions for medical emergency flights, active law enforcement and air defense, or presidential transport missions that must operate in the restricted area."

So no longer training, sight seeing or transport of every entitled knob through the danger zone.

We shouldn't have needed 67 people to die to consider such a restriction.

Also, apparently there are normally two controllers on duty, one for helicopters, one for planes. On the night of the crash, one controller was doing both.

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Lots of lights on both. It would be incredibly hard for plane to see chopper but surprising that chopper didn't see plane. Part of NTSB investigation includes vision studies to show what a pilot could see. Some midairs have had a plane in a blind spot (similar to behind an A pillar in a car).
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Experienced Blackhawk pilot on TV said "training flight" would have entailed using night vision optics, which have only a 40 degree field of vision.
 
... and another plane fell out of the sky in Philadelphia this afternoon, an ambulance plane that blowed up real good (compressed oxygen will do that)
www.ctvnews.ca

Plane with at least 2 aboard crashes in Philadelphia, setting homes ablaze and unleashing fireball

A medical transport jet crashed in Philadelphia on Friday about 30 seconds after taking off, setting homes ablaze, strewing debris and rattling residents after the second air disaster in as many days.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca

A couple of years ago the US would be attacking Iraq by now.
 
bitzz said:
... and another plane fell out of the sky in Philadelphia this afternoon, an ambulance plane that blowed up real good (compressed oxygen will do that)
www.ctvnews.ca

Plane with at least 2 aboard crashes in Philadelphia, setting homes ablaze and unleashing fireball

A medical transport jet crashed in Philadelphia on Friday about 30 seconds after taking off, setting homes ablaze, strewing debris and rattling residents after the second air disaster in as many days.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca

A couple of years ago the US would be attacking Iraq by now.
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Sadly, newer reports have upped people on plane to six (two pilots, two med staff, child patient and caregiver). Obviously casualties on the ground are unknown at this time.

Strange that it appears to be on fire within 30 seconds of takeoff.

vancouver.citynews.ca

Medevac jet with child, 5 others aboard crashes in Philadelphia, setting homes ablaze

A medical transport jet carrying a pediatric patient and five others slammed into a Philadelphia neighborhood about 30 seconds after taking off on Friday, erupting in a fireball and engulfing several homes in fire. Mayor Cherelle Parker said Wednesday night at a news conference that information...
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So, which administration takes the blame?
 
Baggsy said:
So, which administration takes the blame?
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Neither? All of them? Faa has had fundamental issues for decades.

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Apparently rotorcraft have a 200' hard ceiling and collision with plane happened at ~400'. Even if they had missed, a pass by at less than 200' separation and 200' agl would have been a hell of a ride and quite likely crashed the helicopter.
 
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Reviewing the DC crash footage ...it seems the BlackHawk was moving very fast compared to other aircraft. Maybe just the angles.
Wonder if the H pilot thought he could beat the plane ( ala beatinf\g a train at a crossing". :unsure: Apparently the H swerved .
I guess the investigation will clarify things.
 
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Reviewing the DC crash footage ...it seems the BlackHawk was moving very fast compared to other aircraft. Maybe just the angles.
Wonder if the H pilot thought he could beat the plane ( ala beatinf\g a train at a crossing". :unsure: Apparently the H swerved .
I guess the investigation will clarify things.
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Night vision goggles worn by helo pilot on training mission.

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Is it a coincidence that Tanya Harding (y'all remember Tanya?) miraculously appeared on Twitter, after years of silence, JUST before that plane full of figure skaters dropped out of the sky
They even dredged up Nancy Kerrigan for a comment
 
bitzz said:
Is it a coincidence that Tanya Harding (y'all remember Tanya?) miraculously appeared on Twitter, after years of silence, JUST before that plane full of figure skaters dropped out of the sky
They even dredged up Nancy Kerrigan for a comment
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Yes
 
What an absolute crap show. Here is ATC radio and radar simulation from the day before where a plane had to pull up to avoid a helicopter. Normalization of Deviance is a very apt description. The helicopters are like drunks wandering in traffic on the 401.


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NTSB said CRJ pilots in the crash saw the helicopter and tried to pull up one second before impact.

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Belly of CRJ was at 325 ft +/- 25 at time of impact. Helicopter was within the horizontal bounds of the approved path (along east side of river) although close to the west edge. Hard ceiling of 200' for helicopters there. NTSB doesn't have good height data for the helicopter yet. Considering that the lowest the plane could be was about 295', the helicopter busted the ceiling. That happens almost daily and military treats it as a joke with no consequences.
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