Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

"Actual EV owner here". You DON'T NEED these insanely fast charging speeds if you think about charging differently. It's not like filling up a petrol car where you are tied to holding the nozzle the whole time the thing is filling up. You get the charge going, you go do something else, and the car is done when you come back. Have lunch. Have a coffee. Visit the washroom. Stretch your legs. After 4 hours in the car, stopping for 10 minutes (or even 20 or 30 minutes) is not the end of the world.

You don't need insanely fast charging speeds, but it is kind of nice..

I'll use our trip back from Montreal in our Ioniq5 as an example - our charge at one of the service plazas took only around 15 minutes or something like that because it was pounding something like 150kw into the car. Compared against your Bolt, that stop would have been an hour or so charging at 50kw. Yes, we needed to stop for a pee, and coffee, and a nibble, but for us at least, those stops are 15-20 minute things, not 1 hour things.

So, yeah, we appreciate that super fast charge ability when we need it. It was actually part of the decision on what vehicle we purchased in the end - the Bolt just charges too slow for what we wanted.


The ICCU (dc-to-dc 12v battery charging system) issue is certainly an issue, but Hyundai did release updated software a few months back that reportedly alleviated the issue. That update along with some other TSB's was one of the first things we had done on the car when we had it certified. I don't think anyone who has had this update have reported ICCU issues since.

As for the charging profiles, that's almost certainly due to the battery not being preconditioned. For some strange reason Hyundai didn't include the option on the cars originally to manually precondition the battery before charging, but it was since added in a software update. Now all you have to do is ensure the option is turned on and then select a destination fast charger on the built in nav and the car starts to precondition automatically when the time is right so that you arrive with the battery at the peak temperature for fastest charging. It works.
 
You don't need insanely fast charging speeds, but it is kind of nice..

I'll use our trip back from Montreal in our Ioniq5 as an example - our charge at one of the service plazas took only around 15 minutes or something like that because it was pounding something like 150kw into the car. Compared against your Bolt, that stop would have been an hour or so charging at 50kw. Yes, we needed to stop for a pee, and coffee, and a nibble, but for us at least, those stops are 15-20 minute things, not 1 hour things.

Certainly (my car is a lousy example for a road-trip car!), but would the ability to charge three times as fast *again* as your car will, at the cost of making the charging plug incompatible with all existing fast-charging stations plus twice as bulky and with a cable several times as resistant to bending (!), be a worthwhile trade?

As for the charging profiles, that's almost certainly due to the battery not being preconditioned. For some strange reason Hyundai didn't include the option on the cars originally to manually precondition the battery before charging, but it was since added in a software update. Now all you have to do is ensure the option is turned on and then select a destination fast charger on the built in nav and the car starts to precondition automatically when the time is right so that you arrive with the battery at the peak temperature for fastest charging. It works.

That's a really good feature as long as people know to use it. Can you manually hit "precondition" regardless of having a charging station entered into sat-nav? I think you can.
 
That's a really good feature as long as people know to use it. Can you manually hit "precondition" regardless of having a charging station entered into sat-nav? I think you can.

Unfortunately, no - you need to select a fast-charger destination in the onboard nav to activate the preconditioning. On the plus side, this means that the heating/cooling is activated at just the right time, so no battery capacity is unnecessarily wasted by someone who might otherwise activate the system way before it's needed. On the downside, you need to use the onboard nav which we don't really ever use. You also need to hope that the maps are kept up to date so that a new fast charger somewhere is actually listed asn option in order to activate it at the right time. Thankfully Hyundai has been pretty good with keeping map updates regular.
 
Unfortunately, no - you need to select a fast-charger destination in the onboard nav to activate the preconditioning. On the plus side, this means that the heating/cooling is activated at just the right time, so no battery capacity is unnecessarily wasted by someone who might otherwise activate the system way before it's needed. On the downside, you need to use the onboard nav which we don't really ever use. You also need to hope that the maps are kept up to date so that a new fast charger somewhere is actually listed asn option in order to activate it at the right time. Thankfully Hyundai has been pretty good with keeping map updates regular.
I like that it is automatic but it seems a lot easier to make pre-conditioning a choice on the screen than having to keep updating the map (often factory nav map updates are expensive). If they don't want to update the software for the screen, at least put it in the app (which I assume it has but I could be wrong). That is easier for everyone to update and there is no chance of bricking your car. Not as convenient if you want to activate pre-condition while already driving though. Maybe there is middle ground where hyundai could put their app in android auto/carplay so you can access the new features easily on the car screen.
 
The problem with manual is that typically you don't know what the temp of the battery actually is, so the preconditioning time could vary from a few minutes to 20+ minutes.

Nav updates on this car are totally free. I did a fairly large one when we first got the car, it needed to be done by USB, but as I understand it all updates (now that I've crossed a critical version history, it had apparently never been updated since it was new), all further updates are OTA.
 
Ouch. Tesla tooled up for 250k cybertrucks per year. They hoped for 500k per year. Even with the $7500 ev incentive and fanboi/early adopter surge, they can't sell 40k per year.

 
Ouch. Tesla tooled up for 250k cybertrucks per year. They hoped for 500k per year. Even with the $7500 ev incentive and fanboi/early adopter surge, they can't sell 40k per year.


Surprise surprise, nobody actually likes the Reich Rover beyond the fanatical fanboy crowd.
 
Ouch. Tesla tooled up for 250k cybertrucks per year. They hoped for 500k per year. Even with the $7500 ev incentive and fanboi/early adopter surge, they can't sell 40k per year.


And the true number that they sold was revealed because they had to recall every single one of them to fix that stainless steel "exoskeleton" from coming unglued from the plastic bits underneath it that they're glued onto.

Hah.
 
with 80 Tesla vandalized at a Hamilton dealership yesterday , one driven into Bronte harbour last week ( stolen and driven in as a protest) , the Lasvegas dealership having cars set on fire with molotov cocktails , then testla getting kicked from the Vancouver car show as a security risk , would anyone consider a Tesla product right now? its the new Doosh canoe anyway , thankfully finally making BMW owners look good. But its become a political target .
 
File this under cautionary
The moral of this would be if you are looking at a second hand tesla from other that a authorized dealer a pre-sale condition should be a trip to the dealer to ensure that all recalls have been addressed.
That should be a good tell that all is in good standing with the mothership.
 
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File this under cautionary
The moral of this would be if you are looking at a second hand tesla from other that a authorized dealer a pre-sale condition should be a trip to the dealer to ensure that all recalls have been addressed.
That should be a good tell that all is in good standing with the mothership.
Amazing.
 
Apparently Trump is talking about attacks on Teslas or dealerships (even just protesting maybe) a “Domestic terrorism” charge worthy of being immediately sent to prison in El Salvador.

So, attacking the US capital and killing police etc, cool, you get a pardon and everyone claims it was “justified”. Kicking up a fuss at a Tesla dealer, boom, off to the gulag with you, no trial, nothing.

You can’t make this stuff up. This timeline is truly bizarre.

Anyhow, in related news, apparently Tesla trade ins are at an all time high and resale values are plummeting.
 
Apparently Trump is talking about attacks on Teslas or dealerships (even just protesting maybe) a “Domestic terrorism” charge worthy of being immediately sent to prison in El Salvador.

So, attacking the US capital and killing police etc, cool, you get a pardon and everyone claims it was “justified”. Kicking up a fuss at a Tesla dealer, boom, off to the gulag with you, no trial, nothing.

You can’t make this stuff up. This timeline is truly bizarre.

Anyhow, in related news, apparently Tesla trade ins are at an all time high and resale values are plummeting.
@mimico_polak time to pull the trigger on that tesla
 
@mimico_polak time to pull the trigger on that tesla
That's a hard pass thank you. We heavily considered a full EV recently, but the price, and needs of what we're looking for in our price range...hard to justify.

We'll see how the Maverick serves us. I'm just happy my wife is actually driving to work with it and likes it. 2 days in a row now she took it to work...and I just saw a bed extender online and waiting for a response.
 
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