mahnoy
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Yeah I've always wondered if on a bigger SS you would scrape your pegs before going down?
How do you know you're out of tire WITHOUT crashing?
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I don't always ride squid...and when I do, I don't corner hard lol I think it's a mental thing.
Planning to next year, taking the 4 day package and buying a suit from them. Don't have the funds yet.
I've actually fish tailed more than a dozen times. I ride during the winter. When I first got my GSXR, every time I downshifted from 2nd to 1st caused a fish tail lol then there was trying to go WOT on cold aspalt too...and other really stupid stuff.
...and somehow, a pinecone is the thing that made me crash.
Yep, and I'm going all weekend!!! TOTALLY STOKED:
Come say hi. (#64 black numbers, will be arriving Friday early evening)
True ... but if the road is covered with slipperiness in any of its many forms, you may run out of grip before you run out of either tire profile or cornering clearance. Or if your tire pressure/temperature is wrong or your suspension is crap. Or if you are trying to brake or accelerate too much at the same time.
The last time I crashed at TMP was because someone else (Luke Bauer!) crashed in my immediate vicinity and that took out another rider, resulting in bikes and riders all across the track. I was already leaned pretty far over but instinctively hit the front brake. Oops. Front slid out, bars went right to the steering lock, and down I went.
sid_for_speed
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油井緋色;2059413 said:
roll off throttle while in corner= highside,no?
roll off throttle while in corner= highside,no?
Slow roll off, not chop completely.
sid_for_speed
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yup...sorry, didn't read all the previous ones!油井緋色;2059631 said:
I can't comment on the track school other than track is fairly consistent I understand and dirt is seriously inconsistent and so at times is the street.
No question riding off road....even at my age....improves my street riding and confidence.
Falling off on the dirt is also valuable learning experience.
My son is a much better street rider for the dirt riding he's done and I'm more confident in him not getting hurt on the street even if he's a hooligan at times. Weren't/aren't we all.
Losing the rear end I don't find such an issue but pushing the front end - dirt or road is scary as you never know when it's gonna grab and high side.....There were some really nasty tar snakes on 327 in Quebec.....slipperiest I've even been on - some sort of white coating was on them.....there was even a sign with cycle sliding sideways in one bad section - obviously someone had gone down on them.
Getting used to the uncertainty by taking your street bike on gravel and dirt roads really helps - just get over the white knuckles
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there is a caveat with that...it assumes consistent pavement - you try believing you won't run out of tire with tar snakes, white painted lines and patches of sand on your line and you'll learn the hard way "tain't necessarily so".
That was one real treat last weekend at the southern end of PA 144 - the road was just fabulous and you could push hard with confidence knowing the tires were gonna stick - but it's all too rare.
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油井緋色;2059486 said:
I've been to CMTS years ago with a buddy and had a blast. We had Clinton Smout instructing and he had a lot of insights to offer. I was "new-ish" at the time and feel that I learned a lot from him.
Here's his facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/clinton.smout
Here's an endorsement on CMG (Canada Moto Guide): http://canadamotoguide.com/images/stories/archives/CMG_features/04_ClintonSchool/
Any instructional riding school will up your game a lot. I wanted to try dirt to see what a bike felt like as it lost traction and try to recover from it. Like I said: it's a blast.
I took the CMTS course after doing FAST Phase 1 a couple times (once after riding for 3 months, again after riding for a couple years).
also, as a newer rider, if you're riding correctly (leaning with the bike and NOT crossed-up towards the opposite side) I can't think of any reasonable circumstance where you'd run off the edge of your tire on the street. To do so, you'd be tipped sideways over 50 to 55 degrees from vertical. If that was the case, I imagine your foot peg feelers or other hard parts would start to grind the road.
Having said that, the back tire can start to slide out before you get to that point depending on a number of factors (including tire pressure, suspension compliance, tire and road temperatures, road debris, sand, etc). With experience, you will start to feel the back start to slide out as you loose grip. Some tires transmit that sensation better than others.
For the record: I've low-sided and high-sided once each.
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skip
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roll off throttle while in corner= highside,no?
Maybe. If its already lost some grip and you are sliding when it gets grip back likely yes, but it depends on lot of things in the how and where it regains grip. High sides hurt more then a nice gentle low side. I dislike pretending I'm superman, turns out' I don't fly well.
roll off throttle while in corner= highside,no?
Only if your rear is already sliding/spinning under acceleration. If your already putting max load on the front tire and roll off it will tuck the front.
lator-illa
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This is one of my fears as well when I ride aggressive (hitting known on-ramps as practice runs), and it always runs in the back of my mind if i'm going to run out of tire.
Question, I have a HINT of a chicken strip in the back, but waaaaay more at the front. Is this normal? Should the rear be reaching the edge quicker than the front or should they be even? Is this an indicator that my bike isn't setup properly?
Question, I have a HINT of a chicken strip in the back, but waaaaay more at the front. Is this normal? Should the rear be reaching the edge quicker than the front or should they be even? Is this an indicator that my bike isn't setup properly?
Normal
skip
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As stated above, if you want to push hard enough to find the limits of your tires or your bike, the track is by far the best place to do it. The street has to many variables even known ramps or roads. Bit of gravel or some oil left by a leaking truck for example (which I now have to clean off my bike 427N/407W ramp this morning). Also ramps generally have zero run off if/when you step over the equipments or your limits.
Meeting a guard rail or jersey barrier at a high rate of speed is not on my list of to do's and the reason I will never push hard on the street.
Meeting a guard rail or jersey barrier at a high rate of speed is not on my list of to do's and the reason I will never push hard on the street.
Heh...the guard rail has been on the back of my mind. It's still pretty fun to loop said ramps though at a medium pace =)
lator-illa
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Just wait until you hit the track and take your first hot lapramps will loose their appeal very quickly.
Unfortunately, it will have wait until next season. In the meantime, ramps is all I have
Now it's just a matter of researching which Track School to go to: Fast or Racer5?
skip
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Personally I would probably do Racer5. I am actually thinking about doing this next year since I have not raced in a few years (major job change and then a kid tend to eat the time up) and then bringing my two-smoke to a few SOAR events.
