Is that how you do temptation at bogie?
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Is that how you do temptation at bogie?
redridernl
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That's the first thing I thought of when I read that. lol
I have seen some interesting lines through there though.
Shaman
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Got a chance to watch the pros do it first-hand. They scream in, ignore the braking zone, brake in a straight line right at the Armco in the middle of the turn, then heel the bike over hard and take the whole thing like one corner. Criticise if you want, but they all did it (including Sharrard).
slogan
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Racer5 :thumbup: they provide a bike (CBR125) and you are 4 days on track - trying to get max output!
That is the way for a turn you KNOW is a decreasing radius that you can set up for, in cases where you do not know you set up a normal turn in point, drive in, change line mid turn and ad a second turn point.
This thread is frightening.
parts of it, NO DOUBT
Shaman
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Seeing as how there was no trophy in it for me, I brake a bit earlier. LOL
nesobriquet
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The thing is though, if you don't know the corner and you have come in too hot, in order to turn it into a 2 turn corner, the 2nd turn-in is tightening the corner. Great for racing to shorten lap times, but not always effective for a newb to a new unknown corner.
At the risk of being misinterpreted by a newbie, what I do if I discover I'm in too hot (a judgement call of course), my usual practice if riding spirtitedly on a new-to-me road, is to enter a corner with a relatively tight line so that I always have a bit a room to stand it up, scruff off huge speed with front brake if I see that it's gonna tighten on me, and once big speed is scruffed off, set up to lean it over and allow myself to drift out using up the rest of my lane as I make way around the corner. Out of respect for all things unknown, I usually have this imaginary conservatism builtin to how wide the lane is where pavement meets shoulder, be it a painted line or dirt..I try to always see I have at least a foot or two less lane than I really do. If you're cooking fairly fast and the corner is tightening up quite a bit, a foot ain't much. Neither is two feet FTM.
One of the most common things I see when watching videos of (non) experts on track days, (or a video on You Tube before the 'incident' happens) is the vast majority of guys use ridiculous amounts of engine braking and even downshift!
making things even more prone to unsettling when approaching a corner...guys who know what they're doing, downshift ahead of time with revs brought right up so that there is zero chassis unsettlement going on as they make their way through the corner as either a drive through, or even better a slight acceleration through, and then catch the next cog once outta the apex, depending on of course the myriad of variables..the bike (a 2 cyl twin vs a high revving inline, or if on street maybe not having race type rubber up to temp if you haven't had a chance to work them up etc etc) IMO, this is why it takes more skill to extract the extremes out of twin than it does an inline, because an inline 4 usually gives a lot bigger rev-out range during cornering and is more forgiving if you are either in the wrong gear coming in or trying to get out. The twin rider has fewer revs to deal with and must exploit the torque on corners in order to make a competitive lap time.
So...who wants a can of Guinness now? Asking, cuz it quickly turned into bench race speak and created some reminiscing of past corners that got my attention on demand.
nesobriquet;1830686At the risk of being misinterpreted by a newbie said:
this is getting even better.
no input from u???
Ya but your post count is too low and you've only been a member for a few months.
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One of the most common things I see when watching videos of (non) experts on track days, (or a video on You Tube before the 'incident' happens) is the vast majority of guys use ridiculous amounts of engine braking and even downshift!
IMO, this is why it takes more skill to extract the extremes out of twin than it does an inline, because an inline 4 usually gives a lot bigger rev-out range during cornering and is more forgiving if you are either in the wrong gear coming in or trying to get out. The twin rider has fewer revs to deal with and must exploit the torque on corners in order to make a competitive lap time.
So...who wants a can of Guinness now? Asking, cuz it quickly turned into bench race speak and created some reminiscing of past corners that got my attention on demand.
Have you actually ridden the track, or Do you watch videos?
I found this part particularily interesting:
"is the vast majority of guys use ridiculous amounts of engine braking and even downshift!
making things even more prone to unsettling when approaching a corner"What is one to do as approaching a corner?
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awyala
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I concede to your point. In my narrow view I was thinking of a wider roadway and much shorter turn or over all length. Your point is clearly more expansive and comprehensive.
I was thinking more like Moss Carousel at SMP Long.
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Have you actually ridden the track, or Do you watch videos?
I found this part particularily interesting:
"is the vast majority of guys use ridiculous amounts of engine braking and even downshift!
What is one to do as approaching a corner?
I upshift on entry and downshift on corner exit!!
