Not sure what your budget is butt I would recommend the brutale had one as a loaner they are great bikes
Ninja 1000 or Street Triple R (or Hypermotard?)
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Not sure what your budget is butt I would recommend the brutale had one as a loaner they are great bikes
Ninja 1000 hands down. Personally I like the Triumph and if it was just around town with few ventures beyond it I would likely get the Speed but the Ninja just does everything so well (rip aound town, daytrip, highway, or touring with bags). It doesn't have top-shelf suspension but it is far from bad and upgrades are plentiful and not overly costly if you do decide to go that route.
Oh, and to satisfy the inner child, I think the thing looks great as well.
Oh, and to satisfy the inner child, I think the thing looks great as well.
philblaine
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You already know which bike it's going to be. Plus you get a road trip out of it. Go.
Well, trying again - found one in NY that's no so far away, just have to see if they'll sell to a Canadian.
Face
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I rode the Street Triple and I thought it was great for low & medium speed twisties and all around fun, but you're a kite at higher speeds and it's not too practical for every day use. I tested the Ninja, and it just put a big grin on my face. The power and handling is addictive, the wind screen works great for higher speed riding and with the OEM European tail rack and abox, its great for daily riding. My riding needs are like yours. Fortunately they were offering great deals last year, so there's a nice red one in my garage.
First, I wouldn't want to be in Hyper's seat for more than a 10K a year, especially if there are some longer trips in your book. It's a hooligan bike for around town ....
I personally would pick STR, it's proven, will handle the crappy Ontario roads (not like some other naked bikes), wonderful engine and great ergonomics which surely will not stop you from longer trips. On contrary. It's pretty light to be great for around town as well. Triumph didn't sell many of them (in Europe, it's too small for North American mentality) in the last 10 years by sheer luck. Lastly, it's hard to argue the price and components it somes with.
I think most bikes nowadays come with forks, brakes and etc. bits which you should be happy with. There's few bikes which still come with non-adjustable forks and have no R model, so you are stuck with it or DIY upgrade. But STR is definitely not one of them.
The only question for me would be a dealer's coverage, in case of warranty fix or parts pickup. Sturgess in Hamilton, I hear is good, but not exactly in my neck of woods, but I guess that is the way it goes nowadays ....
What speeds are you referring to? Keep-your-license speed is not an issue on STR (you can buy a quite good looking fly screen). Sure you will be more comfortable behind the larger Ninja's screen, but it depends how valuable that is to you or your riding.
Why do you say that STR is NOT too practical for daily use? That surprises me. Maybe you meant to say that the large Ninja is not really that great for a daily commute around town?
Buellrunner
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Buy the one that you think looks better. We like it when we love to look at it.
Face
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I'm 6' 2", so wind protection is a big factor for me. The Ninja can cruise all day at 130+ with the screen up and be totally comfy. Mid position is great for 80 - 120, and around town I leave it down. On the STR, the wind becomes a factor around 110 and starting around 125/130, you're really fighting it.
Givi tail rack on the STR looks like a real afterthought. The OEM rack on the Ninja works well. I need a box big enough to store my gear when I go into meetings, carry shoes & a case on my way to work & grab a few groceries on the way home. A backpack is not practical commuting for me, and I don't want to go to a big sport tourer.
The STR's high pipes and even smaller pillion seat make 2-up riding almost impossible. The Ninja's not great, but I've done a 3 hr sporty run with my wife on the back and she didn't get off ready to leave me.
The Ninja's known more for it's mid range & upper end performance, but it's also got a great throttle for slower speeds, torque from 3000 rpm and is happy being short shifted around town. Gas mileage commuting isn't great, but I'll put up with that for the performance I get when I want to have some fun. As much as I liked the STR, the Ninja's just a much more versatile bike.
homme de fer
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The Z1000 is a nice bike to be sure but the Hyper, it's a Hyper! It's a great bike with a durable, proven engine, plenty of leg room, and plenty of upgrades for whatever type of riding you plan on doing in the future.
Kri$han
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What's the appeal of Hypermotard's?
To me; dirt bikes have that geometry so you can slide the tail out easily, stand and clear obstacles, and for jumping (and landing) with ease, and thus needing tons of travel on your front fork.
On the street all of that is null, aside from perhaps drifting your bike... so does everyone with Hypermotards know how to drift, or what?
To me; dirt bikes have that geometry so you can slide the tail out easily, stand and clear obstacles, and for jumping (and landing) with ease, and thus needing tons of travel on your front fork.
On the street all of that is null, aside from perhaps drifting your bike... so does everyone with Hypermotards know how to drift, or what?
frekeyguy
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I have yet to work on a Ninja 1000..but worked on the older GEN Z1000's and speed triple now.....
The Z's have a TON of interchange parts...a ton of parts...can be used from a ZX10 or Z1000 or 636.....so parts availability is there...cheap parts that can be sourced readily. Don't need any special stands or tools to do a tire change....
The Speed Triple 1050...you'll need special tools...like a 46MM 6 point rear axle nut tool....which can range from $30 to $120 for the socket...plus special spools/stands.
The speed triple (rode a forum members) a TON of torque.....just GOBS AND GOBS of it.
The speed triple is british = electrical issues.....but sounds like a MONSTER!!
Speed triple = Plastic...I think the Z1000 has a metal tank? Plus parts would cost a ton more for the speed....the chain is a 530 wide rear I think...which is a bit more pricy for a good quality chain....factor in sprockets as well....so in the long run, you'll pay a bit more for parts.....
They both use the same oil filter size...so a kawi filter should work on the triumph..so oil changes would cost the same....just things like rear pads...chain/sprocket would cost a little extra...but worth it!
The Z's have a TON of interchange parts...a ton of parts...can be used from a ZX10 or Z1000 or 636.....so parts availability is there...cheap parts that can be sourced readily. Don't need any special stands or tools to do a tire change....
The Speed Triple 1050...you'll need special tools...like a 46MM 6 point rear axle nut tool....which can range from $30 to $120 for the socket...plus special spools/stands.
The speed triple (rode a forum members) a TON of torque.....just GOBS AND GOBS of it.
The speed triple is british = electrical issues.....but sounds like a MONSTER!!
Speed triple = Plastic...I think the Z1000 has a metal tank? Plus parts would cost a ton more for the speed....the chain is a 530 wide rear I think...which is a bit more pricy for a good quality chain....factor in sprockets as well....so in the long run, you'll pay a bit more for parts.....
They both use the same oil filter size...so a kawi filter should work on the triumph..so oil changes would cost the same....just things like rear pads...chain/sprocket would cost a little extra...but worth it!
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I was talking about the Street Triple. I have actually owned a Daytona T595 in the past, which the Speed Triple of today evolved from. At this point I doubt many of the parts were in common, but I do remember it being super irritating to work on.
It's about as British as a Harley is American (read: many Japanese parts anyway) and at this point I think the Speed and the Street would be just as reliable as a Japanese bike.
Oh yeah, and the cost for the parts was definitely eye-watering. Also, hope you didn't need them right away, because the ETA is about 3 weeks. I dunno, that was a few years ago, maybe things are different now (maybe it was just McBride's fault, hah)
I was talking about the Street Triple. I have actually owned a Daytona T595 in the past, which the Speed Triple of today evolved from. At this point I doubt many of the parts were in common, but I do remember it being super irritating to work on.
It's about as British as a Harley is American (read: many Japanese parts anyway) and at this point I think the Speed and the Street would be just as reliable as a Japanese bike.Oh yeah, and the cost for the parts was definitely eye-watering. Also, hope you didn't need them right away, because the ETA is about 3 weeks. I dunno, that was a few years ago, maybe things are different now (maybe it was just McBride's fault, hah)
If I were you then yes ..... You are 6'2", have a need for 130+ all day long, possible 2-up trips and you don't like a back pack for a commute. Pretty straight forward Ninja candidate. All depends on your needs. I for example would not have much need for it and I'd be dragging constantly around extra 50 kilos and power I'd never use. All about priorities.
Sorry, I had to laugh reading your reasoning for the existence of motards ....
insert
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if you're looking at the hypermotard, and ninja1000... maybe a speed triple instead of a street triple might be more to your liking.
if it were me i would be in a toss between the ninja 1000 and the speed triple. the speed has hte 1050cc instead of hte street's 675cc, it'll keep your revs lower on the highway, and save you some gas if you're touring.
Although if a touring bike is what you're looking for, you might want to look at something with a bigger windscreen.
that being said i've owned both a street triple, and a daytona 675... both were great bikes, solid no problems, the 675 platform is a pretty solid engine.
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Obviously i am biased.So here goes anyway.
The Hyper i have is an 09.It's the only year they came with kyb forks (nice and adjustable).And a tasty Ohlins rear.
It's far from a dirtbike or true "Motard",just a very practicle streetbike imho.
For touring i added a small windshield.Works quite well on 800km days.
The DP Comfort seat (gel insert) on it is a huge improvement over stock.
Servicing these 2 valve twins is so easy a gtam'er could do it.
Handling is awesome.Feels like your hands are on the front axle.
I'll throw in the big rear socket.And a battery tender jr.
The Hyper i have is an 09.It's the only year they came with kyb forks (nice and adjustable).And a tasty Ohlins rear.
It's far from a dirtbike or true "Motard",just a very practicle streetbike imho.
For touring i added a small windshield.Works quite well on 800km days.
The DP Comfort seat (gel insert) on it is a huge improvement over stock.
Servicing these 2 valve twins is so easy a gtam'er could do it.
Handling is awesome.Feels like your hands are on the front axle.
I'll throw in the big rear socket.And a battery tender jr.
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