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veno78

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It makes absolutely no sense. Actually most of our justice system makes no sense.
 
Well, obviously doing a wheelie is much much worse than killing someone. I mean come on, you could get hurt!
 
Is there anyone we can ***** to about this?
 
Newb rider pulls wheelie on city street, full well knowing its illegal(stunting law)

Driver of the car didn't intentionaly set out to kill someone that day, they made an illegal turn.

The difference is really a stunting charge against an illegal left turn. The fine makes sense to me.
 
alkaline nine said:
Newb rider pulls wheelie on city street, full well knowing its illegal(stunting law)

Driver of the car didn't intentionaly set out to kill someone that day, they made an illegal turn.

The difference is really a stunting charge against an illegal left turn. The fine makes sense to me.
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So i should only get a DUI if I happen to kill your daughter or wife while drinking and driving????
 
Yes, but if that driver payed more attention they wouldn't be killing anyone. A vehicle is a two tone weapon on wheels. I think the charge should be upped if they cuase grivious bodily harm or death.

alkaline nine said:
Newb rider pulls wheelie on city street, full well knowing its illegal(stunting law)

Driver of the car didn't intentionaly set out to kill someone that day, they made an illegal turn.

The difference is really a stunting charge against an illegal left turn. The fine makes sense to me.
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alkaline nine said:
Newb rider pulls wheelie on city street, full well knowing its illegal(stunting law)

Driver of the car didn't intentionaly set out to kill someone that day, they made an illegal turn.

The difference is really a stunting charge against an illegal left turn. The fine makes sense to me.
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One can accidentally wheelie. When I was a new rider and taking the motorcycle training m1x course in belleville a few years back I was riding a tw200 and my long legs were feeling a little cramped. to stretch out I shifted farther back in the seat and inadvertently gave a small spurt of gas (nothing major) and the front wheel came up. There was no intention to wheelie and because I rolled off the throttle right away the wheel came straight down.

The stunting charge can result in going to jail... for a "crime" where no one was hurt or in danger of being hurt that's a pretty stiff sentence. I'm not saying people should be able to go and do wheelies up and down the street at will but you have to admit the punishment is rather severe. that tw200 isn't some sort of monster super sport that goes 300km an hour either, it's just geared low and has a torquey engine.

Driving while not giving it your full attention is no different than driving while talking/texting on a cell phone which studies have shown to be just as dangerous as drunk driving. You choose to drive drunk, just like you choose not to give your full attention.
 
No matter which two colours a car is, it is not a weapon.... Not even a two ton weapon... :) A car is no more a weapon then a baseball bat. They can both cause damage but their purpose in life is not to be a weapon.

What is the difference if a car makes an illegal left turn in front of another car and they collide and nobody is hurt and if a car makes an illegal left turn in front of a motorcycle and they collide and the motorcyclist is badly hurt or killed? Both "crimes" were the same. Every driver/rider makes mistakes on the road. A moment of inattentiveness is common. You miss seeing something. The majority of the time there is nothing to hit when you make your mistake, other times the other driver does something to avoid the crash and sometimes a crash occurs. In the case of the crash how do you determine the punishment? Do you look at the drivers past driving record? Is it the amount of damage both physical and property the crashed caused? There is no pat answer. Each case should be judged individually. Sometimes an illegal left turn is just that regardless of the consequences.

rafiki911 said:
Yes, but if that driver payed more attention they wouldn't be killing anyone. A vehicle is a two tone weapon on wheels. I think the charge should be upped if they cuase grivious bodily harm or death.
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ddusseld said:
....What is the difference if a car makes an illegal left turn in front of another car and they collide and nobody is hurt and if a car makes an illegal left turn in front of a motorcycle and they collide and the motorcyclist is badly hurt or killed? Both "crimes" were the same. Every driver/rider makes mistakes on the road. A moment of inattentiveness is common...
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i would think that the clear difference is that someone is dead

someone is drunk and swerves off the road and hits a fire hydrant. no one is hurt. if instead after swerving off the road the driver hits and kills a person, according to your logic it's not different?

like others, i'm not calling for murder charges, but shouldn't a vehicular manslaughter charge be added?
 
alkaline nine said:
Newb rider pulls wheelie on city street, full well knowing its illegal(stunting law)

Driver of the car didn't intentionaly set out to kill someone that day, they made an illegal turn.

The difference is really a stunting charge against an illegal left turn. The fine makes sense to me.
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If you dont intentionally set out to kill someone, but your actions lead to their death in canada thats called manslaughter
 
ddusseld said:
No matter which two colours a car is, it is not a weapon.... Not even a two ton weapon... :) A car is no more a weapon then a baseball bat. They can both cause damage but their purpose in life is not to be a weapon.
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Actually depending on the situation, you can be charged for having a baseball bat in your car..
 
LOL has anyone even bothered looking up the news story mentioned in that 2nd link? Or is this the "knee jerk reaction thread" of the day?
 
Vitamin_B12 said:
i would think that the clear difference is that someone is dead

someone is drunk and swerves off the road and hits a fire hydrant. no one is hurt. if instead after swerving off the road the driver hits and kills a person, according to your logic it's not different?

like others, i'm not calling for murder charges, but shouldn't a vehicular manslaughter charge be added?
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There already is a difference; impaired driving vs impaired driving causing death. The difference comes out in sentencing and the severity of punishment.
 
veno78 said:
Newb rider accidently gives gas and pops clutch:
-Instant 7 day impound.
-towing fees
-licence suspension
-min. $2000 fine
-basically fawked for 7 years if convicted
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?148878-Got-caught-doing-a-wheelie...


Car making an illegal left turn kills a motorcyclist:
- $155 ticket, 2 points.
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?145604-Fined-155-unsafe-left-turn...


wat.


Someone want to explain how this works?
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Pretty sure the family will sue the guy driving the car
 
coyo said:
There already is a difference; impaired driving vs impaired driving causing death. The difference comes out in sentencing and the severity of punishment.
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So why does it only change if your drunk?
Car makes an illegal left turn vs Car makes an illegal left turn kills a motorcyclist. There is no difference that came out in sentencing and the severity of punishment.
Whether your drunk or not killing someone with your car and it being your fault should result in vehicular manslaughter.

Although I didn't see anywhere what exactly happened in the link, It could have been a yellow that the motorcyclist was trying to run blindly in the right lane with cars in the left lane blocking the oncoming cars view of him? Which may not be the drivers fault 100%?
 
jeffjones said:
So why does it only change if your drunk?
Car makes an illegal left turn vs Car makes an illegal left turn kills a motorcyclist. There is no difference that came out in sentencing and the severity of punishment.
Whether your drunk or not killing someone with your car and it being your fault should result in vehicular manslaughter.

Although I didn't see anywhere what exactly happened in the link, It could have been a yellow that the motorcyclist was trying to run blindly in the right lane with cars in the left lane blocking the oncoming cars view of him? Which may not be the drivers fault 100%?
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The deliberate act to drive while drunk vs making a mistake with no intent to do anything wrong.
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