Under heavy braking the back end lifts enough to make the rear brake a waste of metal. Why do you think the rear rotor is so small? It's almost obselete.
What stops faster "Car VS bike" - debate
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Under heavy braking the back end lifts enough to make the rear brake a waste of metal. Why do you think the rear rotor is so small? It's almost obselete.
To be honest, I'm not even sure we'd get a definite answer if the math was fully done up. In my experience, with this kinda complicated math stuff, a bunch of asinine assumptions are made at the beginning to "simplify" the equations so that a super computer isn't required to solve all of the gotdamn differentials involved.
lol, true true. Biased math does exist after all.
i thought it was supposed to be about those things called numbers?but ya, a computer simulation is best. but the guy writing the program can't be a rider tho. haha
That's unfair. A sportbike should be compared to a sports car or a cruiser to your typical Civic. Again, too many variables. Keep trying.
Nope.. post your own poll for that...
The average 16 yr old NOVICE can (and do) get ahold of a supersport bike, but they usually don't have access to a vette or a viper etc..
Ok if we're talking about having some 16 year old novice (possibly idiot) on a supersport, vs your typical, run of the mill idiot in a family car....the car will definitely stop faster.
The bottom line is that anyone, in pretty much any car can stop harder more consistently than a person on a bike. I think the results of a real world test, given multiple tries, will show that a car will stop faster almost every time.
The bottom line is that anyone, in pretty much any car can stop harder more consistently than a person on a bike. I think the results of a real world test, given multiple tries, will show that a car will stop faster almost every time.
You never said novice. Change the variables.................again. LOL
The use of the word "novice" was only to justify WHY this poll exists, comparing sportbikes to average cars.
The rider and driver on the braking challenge would be both capable drivers/riders... capable or properly threshold braking.
http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/technical/200801perfindex.pdf
With you average family sedan stopping in 125-135 ft. (check Road and track for varoius cars)
And Sportbikes in the range of 110-125ft.
Sports cars are pretty close or less than the sport bikes.
How much skill does it take to max brake a bike? How repeatable is it?
Car driver just has to mash the pedal. Pretty easy.
It takes less skill to brake hard in a car. And in a panic situation this can be the deciding factor.
With you average family sedan stopping in 125-135 ft. (check Road and track for varoius cars)
And Sportbikes in the range of 110-125ft.
Sports cars are pretty close or less than the sport bikes.
How much skill does it take to max brake a bike? How repeatable is it?
Car driver just has to mash the pedal. Pretty easy.
It takes less skill to brake hard in a car. And in a panic situation this can be the deciding factor.
Aftermarket DOT approved street tires? Slicks? OEM tires? Wooden wheels? You need to be more specific.
The tires that exist most commonly on the street.
on the bike... do you think it matters if it has street tires or slicks? On the sportbike, the tires are NOT the limiting factor.
the fact that it can and will flip over with mere street tires is an indication that stickier tires will not reduce braking distances on the bike
http://www.chinasmack.com/pictures/8-people-on-1-motorcycle-going-faster-than-a-car-in-china/
definitely a car :laughing8::laughing8::laughing8:
definitely a car :laughing8::laughing8::laughing8:
It doesn't matter. He's comparing apples and oranges (sport bike to family sedan) because novices can have access to them, but assumes novices know how and can threshold brake with repeatable results. The poll was flawed before the submit button was pressed on the original post, and get's more convoluted with each subsequent one.
But putting both on DOT tires vs. race spec tires changes the variables. Something you're having trouble grasping.
man can you ever misunderstand a post...
When I referred to the "novice", that was solely to justify why I chose the comparison that I did. the poll is a branch off this thread -http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?p=1094489#post1094489
It does not get more convoluted with each additional post... but rather, it get more clear, as more details are given / specified. there is no contradictory info in the question. There is only contradictory info in peoples opinions on the subject.
No troubles here, post #33... specifies - tires that commonly exist on the street.
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Dammit...this forum doesn't suport
code. *sigh*
I found a good motorcycle chart , but it doesn't have any late model sportbikes, and only has 60-0 (mph) stopping distance.
The average for the sportbikes is around 107 feet. The interesting thing about that site is that if you look lower, it has some interesting utilities that show where the break point is in stopping power to doing a stoppie.
The takeaway is that a skilled rider on a sportbike will probably be able to outbrake an average driver in a typical car or truck, but not by much. What this means for a 'typical' rider is less clear, obviously, but I know on the streets around here, I'd rather have four wheels under me if I have to stop hard. I usually slow/swerve in most situations. (I also try to always leave myself a swerve zone).
Dammit...this forum doesn't suport
I don't think you'll be able to find anything similar to this for sportbikes. Your best bet is probably to look for reviews from the various motorcycle magazines that add stopping distance as a variable intheir reviews. That would probably be the best source, because that gives you a near ideal stopping distance (skilled riders) for a stock bike with stock tires (most common).
I found a good motorcycle chart , but it doesn't have any late model sportbikes, and only has 60-0 (mph) stopping distance.
The average for the sportbikes is around 107 feet. The interesting thing about that site is that if you look lower, it has some interesting utilities that show where the break point is in stopping power to doing a stoppie.
The takeaway is that a skilled rider on a sportbike will probably be able to outbrake an average driver in a typical car or truck, but not by much. What this means for a 'typical' rider is less clear, obviously, but I know on the streets around here, I'd rather have four wheels under me if I have to stop hard. I usually slow/swerve in most situations. (I also try to always leave myself a swerve zone).
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Anyone find a similar one for a car? Then we can plug numbers in all day and night for every model of bike and car possible.
Interesting that people are voting for ABS? With a skilled driver ABS takes longer to brake than non-ABS threshold braking, especially on dry pavement and a straight line.
Anyone find a similar one for a car? Then we can plug numbers in all day and night for every model of bike and car possible.
Interesting that people are voting for ABS? With a skilled driver ABS takes longer to brake than non-ABS threshold braking, especially on dry pavement and a straight line.
