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Have attitudes changed?

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jc100

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Are we more selfish? Have some "traditions" gone by the wayside as generations change?

Following the Funeral Procession thread in general discussion there are two polarised camps, one that says give a little respect and wait, the other that says no need for a procession, unnecessary inconvenience for others etc.

That's just one example, but there are others. Some other societal ones like butting into lines, even driving habits which have become much more "me me me" in my opinion.

Am I right in this or is it that the bad apples and bad behaviour stand out and attract more attention and maybe the problem isn't that bad?

Maybe it's right that we should be more selfish, survival of the fittest in a capitalist society.

My own point of view has been that the measure of a society is how the less fortunate are treated. What do you lot think?
 
Every generation is worse than the last, and the current crop of young people are supporting this idea.
 
Toronto has always had that attitude. Which was why I was blown away by how courteous and respectful Calgarians are. They will literrally stop in the middle of the road to let you by and passengers will always say thank you to the drivers. I've seen numerous drivers stop at intersections even when there's no stop signs and most drive slow. So I guess to Torontonians that would be bad drivers.

To take the above example I think if this is the norm of the society newcomers such as myself would adapt to that society's norm. Toronto at one point changed to the selfish attitude and lunatic driving especially in Brampton and that has now been accepted as the norm. Newcomers seeing this as the norm has also adapted their attitude and driving behaviours to societal's norm.

But if you go outside Toronto's city limit you'd find different attitudes. But this is just generalization and not everyone has the same attitude.
 
remember beat yo kids
 
I think people are too selfish, in too much of a hurry all the time for no good reason and really don't give a damn about other people.

Where I grew up, people held doors for strangers, were polite to each other on the roads, and you could talk to someone you don't know when you're waiting for something in public.

Now, everyone is out for only themselves to the point that they aren't even approachable. It seems like everyone looks at each other with "F- you" on their face and I don't get it.

If everyone was a bit more respectful (as in if it doesn't seriously affect you, and isn't your business, then shut up and deal with it) and polite to each other, everyone would have a better quality of life. It's sad that when I go to a city, and stop to hold a door open for someone that they STOP at the door, wondering wtf I'm doing, they are shocked someone is being polite.

Smile a bit, the world is only as good as you make it. Talk to a stranger, you just might learn something or make a new buddy, and when you see someone that needs help, help them, some day the favor will be returned.

This seems selfishness seems to be like we're swirling down the drain and picking up speed the closer we get. In order to get respect, people need to be pushy. The pushier we all get, the harder you have to push to get treated decently, just gets worse and worse.

Everyone needs to step back, have a beer or a toke, take a deep breath, RELAX a little bit and enjoy the day you have.
 
psycho44 said:
Toronto has always had that attitude. Which was why I was blown away by how courteous and respectful Calgarians are. They will literrally stop in the middle of the road to let you by and passengers will always say thank you to the drivers. I've seen numerous drivers stop at intersections even when there's no stop signs and most drive slow. So I guess to Torontonians that would be bad drivers.

To take the above example I think if this is the norm of the society newcomers such as myself would adapt to that society's norm. Toronto at one point changed to the selfish attitude and lunatic driving especially in Brampton and that has now been accepted as the norm. Newcomers seeing this as the norm has also adapted their attitude and driving behaviours to societal's norm.

But if you go outside Toronto's city limit you'd find different attitudes. But this is just generalization and not everyone has the same attitude.
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After coming from a bike trip out of town I can generally tell I'm getting close to home...










...when people start driving like idiots
 
RockerGuy said:
remember beat yo kids
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+1
I have a feeling that is why I turned out how I did. A back hand across the ears every so often straightens you out young, so when you get older you just naturally do the right thing... Usually.
 
jc100 said:
Are we more selfish?...
My own point of view has been that the measure of a society is how the less fortunate are treated. What do you lot think?
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Your first line hits it on the head. This is a question for the mirror. We have no control over the actions of others. We can only control ourselves. One needs to ask themselves in the mirror...how am I being selfish and how can I be more selfless.

Perhaps others here can list examples that we can be emulating. May be more productive than moaning about how society is, blah, blah, blah. We are society.

Goes with the high beams thread. I'll turn on my beams and create a dangerous situation for others. But don't wear high viz clothing for fashion. That really makes me laugh.

What I do...
- hold open door for others
- stand in public transit for anyone older than me or children or in a compromised physical state
- speak in a lower register in public
- wait my turn
- don't tailgate, but also drive with the flow of traffic so others behind me are not compromised.
- signal (always so others can know my intent and not have to guess)
- allow traffic to pass if turning from driveways if they are partially blocking so flow is improved
- do not block intersections and cause gridlock
- say please an shank you
 
I think discipline's a big part of it. That and also giving kids everything they want these days too. I meet quite a few students who have the attitude that the world owes them a living without having to work for it.
 
Major said:
Your first line hits it on the head. This is a question for the mirror. We have no control over the actions of others. We can only control ourselves. One needs to ask themselves in the mirror...how am I being selfish and how can I be more selfless.

Perhaps others here can list examples that we can be emulating. May be more productive than moaning about how society is, blah, blah, blah. We are society.

Goes with the high beams thread. I'll turn on my beams and create a dangerous situation for others. But don't wear high viz clothing for fashion. That really makes me laugh.

What I do...
- hold open door for others
- stand in public transit for anyone older than me or children or in a compromised physical state
- speak in a lower register in public
- wait my turn
- don't tailgate, but also drive with the flow of traffic so others behind me are not compromised.
- signal (always so others can know my intent and not have to guess)
- allow traffic to pass if turning from driveways if they are partially blocking so flow is improved
- do not block intersections and cause gridlock
- say please an shank you
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I always give up my seat for older people or people with disabilities or pregnant women if I'm on a bus, train, wherever. Doesn't matter if the journey is a few minutes or a few hours. When I do this in some places they look at me like I'm an alien.
 
The city just wears you down after a while.
 
"He who does not hear must feel"
Discipline, discipline, discipline.
Learn to listen to your authority, and itll help you to listen to other and respect your others more.

I feel like an alien when i hold doors for people. I don't 'expect' it but i find it somewhat rude when someone doesnt even LOOK at you when you keep the door open for them. Courtesy is not something to be thankful for anymore. Common sense isnt so common anymore. NOTHING MAKES SENSE lol

We need to start taking our time and enjoy life. We are all trying to go fast, to get somewhere, to live to work. Of course when you're in Toronto, everything is FAR so people try to make up the time wasted by speeding thinking itll get them there so much faster; something that won't be as necessary in smaller cities.

Because people are so stressed for themselves and expect everything back in return (and dont get it) of course they're gonna turn to the "me, myself, and I" principle as they can't count on a good samaritan or someone to have your back. It's sad.

We live in a beautiful world which we take for granted. We let is pass us by because our 'lives' that we box ourselves in are much more important than anything else... and several solitudes dont work as well towards a goal as a united society of people.

*written from my cubicle*
 
You know those big plastic toilet roll dispensers in public washrooms? I absolutely hate it when the last occupant didn't leave a strip hanging down for me to pull, then I have to spin the roll to find the end. So inconsiderate.
 
RetroGrouch said:
You know those big plastic toilet roll dispensers in public washrooms? I absolutely hate it when the last occupant didn't leave a strip hanging down for me to pull, then I have to spin the roll to find the end. So inconsiderate.
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I'm with you on this one.

Big peeve of mine though for some reason....people blocking lanes outside grocery stores as they can't be bothered parking in the lot.
 
RockerGuy said:
remember beat yo kids
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^^^^ This


rmemedic said:
+1
I have a feeling that is why I turned out how I did. A back hand across the ears every so often straightens you out young, so when you get older you just naturally do the right thing... Usually.
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Parents today are too afraid of teaching discipline this way. Most older generations got a slap or two now and then and we didn't turn out traumatised. Quite the opposite.

If my dad gave me a menacing look I just stopped whatever the hell I was doing wrong, coz I knew the next thing coming was a knuckle fly catcher in the face.

Let's bring the discipline-slap back.
 
It's Toronto for sure. I've never been anywhere else in Canada where people are so discourteous.
 
If I posted a video of me spanking my kid, I could be an internet celebrity. 250,000,000 views by the end of next week.
 
these young kids now a days are ****ed. no respect nothing at all. I work as a volunteer at a retirement house, and let me tell you i feel really sorry for the old folks. Their kids have just abandoned them and they cry to me, because no one visits them. Too sad. Common they are your parents they raised you, fed you, did so much for you and now when they are old you just throw them.
 
I can't necessarily speak for the generation-factor, but I do have to say this: every time I travel outside of the Toronto area I'm blown away by how polite and friendly everyone is. Especially when I travel to the U.S.

I hate to admit it, being a native to the city, but it makes me wonder about this place.....
 
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