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I Almost Killed Myself Today On 11th Highway (Orillia)

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I was out today and coming into an on-ramp I thought I would test my new bike's handling and accelerated to about 65 km/h and started to lean down and then "Rissshhhhhh!!" something in my bike hit the pavement and started to drag, I immediately pulled up but was only 2/3 out of the curve and mounted the low island and dashed across highway 11 lanes, luckily no cars on highway 11 at that moment.

If there would had been guardrails or a ditch I would be in a hospital right now with my bike destroyed. The leaning threshold on my bike sucks (Kawasaki ZR7 750cc). Im still trying to figure out if it was my muffler or my footpeg that hit the pavement, they are both scratched under them. Is this normal? I was nowhere near dragging my knee.
 
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Seriously? You're testing your cornering skills entering the highway?? On a brand new bike to you?? "Why are there so many deaths and injuries on motorcycles this year??" Sigh..
 
Glad you're ok!

Scraping your muffler or footpegs means that your bike's leaning too much, and you're not. Good thing you were able to control it, b/c scraping footpegs/muffler can easily make you lowside. That's what happened to me at TMP, but I was on a CBR 125.
 
I know 11 very wall through Orillia. i have a cottage near by. i was actually up on 11 Friday.

what on-ramp were you using? glad you're ok.
 
If you were no where near getting a new down and you were scrapping your exhaust and foot peg, you really need to work on your body positioning.
 
You accelerated TO 65 THEN leaned into a tight corner....lucky you are still here.

IN slow, out fast and learn your bike before you play on highways. You need saddle time at moderate speeds and perhaps ride with more experienced riders at moderate pace and see how they position into corners.
 
Seriously? You're testing your cornering skills entering the highway?? On a brand new bike to you?? "Why are there so many deaths and injuries on motorcycles this year??" Sigh..

I echo this ^.

Plus ramps are the worst place to experiment with unfamiliarity (bike, skills, ramp etc) because vehicles drop everything from extra water from an A/C evaporator, to oil laying on a unibody chassis part that gives it up to the g force on the corner, to gravel from trucks both having debris on frame rails, but also pulling gravel onto the ramp from cutting it too tight.

Glad to hear you got away with it and was able to learn your enormous error.

If it has a centre stand, it was probably scraping on the side of the pavement foot but could be anything from pegs to mufflers, brackets, even fairings will touch on some bikes.

I recommend full gear on a 'track' or...if you absolutely MUST find your limit.. a deserted highway with corners you not only can see around, but if you lose it, it's into a field, with soft ground, no rocks/trees/sign posts/ guardrails etc.
Keep in mind though that I suspect you were leaning that bike a lot more than obviously you should have been and because it was a hot day and maybe pretty good rubber they stuck. My concern here is that you were experiementing, not only in the worst possible place, but really not having any clue of what you or the bike was doing either. Testing for limits, responsibly, should be not on a public hwy, but also is a gradual learning curve, and no two corners are identical. You might not grind in one but will in another at an even slower speed.

Then there is the issue of weight. If you are heavy and if the bike has the preload set soft (and Kawi doesn't really spend a lot on susp bits on your bike in the first place...although technically we could be talking about 5 year old HonYamSuz RR's also and those too often don't have springs capable of having the right adjustment unless you're 150 lb or less) then ground clearance can run out pretty quick.

And finally, aside from the fact that ramps are the worst place to experiment, short ramps/corners don't give you the room to go wide if you a) feel it going wide/drifting/tires losing grip...and that's if you're lucky with an impending lowside, worse if they slide and grab when you go wtf, and back out of it too aggressively and then find traction and pitch you into suspension-compressed catapulting high-side.

You may have no idea how close you were to being pitched 20' in the air up into the grill of a truck doing 100+ kph. (not that it would take a truck to end you but you get the idea.

I recommend taking a course or two and head to the track. It'll be the best investment you ever make, not only for yourself but for your family and loved ones too.
 
May be you should revisit your opinion about your skills http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...-It-Take-You-To-Learn-How-To-Ride-A-Motorycle , you clearly have a lot of room for improvement:
"Well if it's not mechanical I don't know what else I can learn, I rode in a 3rd-world country for 3 years that have more dangerous scenarios than Canada and rode in 2 canadian winters IN THE SNOW, gave up riding in the winter when I slid on 5 cm of snow and fell with a tractor trailer skidding and jacknifing trying to stop just 40-ft behind me. " - quote from post number 7 http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...-A-Motorycle&p=1804771&viewfull=1#post1804771

Aside from that - glad you are OK.
 
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Glad the OP came out unscathed. Absolutely thrilled that the paradigm-changing alarm / theft deterrent that was recently 'deviced' can still serve its purpose.
 
I thought people had enough sense to keep stupid **** to themselves. You're lucky you didn't kill yourself and ruin someone else's life for doing it.
 
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The sport bike community has created an environment where "Chicken Strips" are a badge of dishonor. Consequently many young riders are pushing it more than they should and paying with their skin and some times their lives. Slow down, enjoy your self. Live to ride another day and grow to ripe a old age.
 
May be you should revisit your opinion about your skills http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...-It-Take-You-To-Learn-How-To-Ride-A-Motorycle , you clearly have a lot of room for improvement:
"Well if it's not mechanical I don't know what else I can learn, I rode in a 3rd-world country for 3 years that have more dangerous scenarios than Canada and rode in 2 canadian winters IN THE SNOW, gave up riding in the winter when I slid on 5 cm of snow and fell with a tractor trailer skidding and jacknifing trying to stop just 40-ft behind me. " - quote from post number 7 http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...-A-Motorycle&p=1804771&viewfull=1#post1804771

Aside from that - glad you are OK.

Haha this was what I thought about as well... MASTERED!
 
Seriously? You're testing your cornering skills entering the highway?? On a brand new bike to you?? "Why are there so many deaths and injuries on motorcycles this year??" Sigh..

Never in a million years I thought it would scrape the ground, I wasn't leaning too much from my point of view, my bike looks as high as a supersport and even higher than a few of them, why do I need a supersport to lean closer to the ground?

Also how do me leaning and not my bike help overcome a curve at high speeds? With my old bike (dual-sport) I could pass these ramps at higher speeds like child's play because I could lean on it way more.


I know 11 very wall through Orillia. i have a cottage near by. i was actually up on 11 Friday.

what on-ramp were you using? glad you're ok.


This is the exact ramp (streetview) from Google Maps, the Transcanada Highway 12 on-ramp to Highway 11.


http://goo.gl/maps/UMkl
 
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The sport bike community has created an environment where "Chicken Strips" are a badge of dishonor. Consequently many young riders are pushing it more than they should and paying with their skin and some times their lives. Slow down, enjoy your self. Live to ride another day and grow to ripe a old age.

There is no shame whatsoever in taking a proper training course to learn how to ride properly in a controlled environment and then doing track days or beyond. In 20+ years I've never touched a knee down on the street - too many uncertainties. At Grand Bend yesterday ... every lap of the last couple of sessions.

It's one thing to talk (or type) and the original poster has certainly done enough of that. It's another thing to listen. Let's see what happens.
 
Never in a million years I thought it would scrape the ground, I wasn't leaning too much from my point of view, my bike looks as high as a supersport and even higher than a few of them, why do I need a supersport to lean closer to the ground?

Also how do me leaning and not my bike help overcome a curve at high speeds? Now it has hit me psychologically, I did not do fast turns after this incident and maybe never will (at least not with this bike).

When you shift your body towards the inside of a corner, it moves your center of gravity closer to the ground and this allows the bike's center of gravity to be kept further from the ground at a given cornering rate. This is why in roadracing you ALWAYS see the riders hanging off the inside of the bike. (Just because a bike is or isn't a sportbike doesn't change the physics involved.) That you did not know this, is evidence that you ought to be taking an advanced riding course.

The height of the bike is one factor, but the width down low is another. (The relationship between the two determines the maximum lean angle before something strikes ground.) Sport bikes are designed to give the rider as much available lean angle as possible. Your bike has an old basic engine design that may have been state-of-the-art in the early 1980's, but newer engine designs - even among inline-fours - are a fair bit narrower. The suspension matters, too. Cornering forces have a significant component that is in line with the suspension and therefore the suspension compresses substantially in hard cornering. This takes away from the ground clearance and reduces the available lean angle. Soft, plush, touring-oriented suspension systems could very well bottom out if the rider attempts hard cornering beyond what the bike was designed for, and among other problems, that reduces available cornering clearance.

Should note at this point that it would therefore be tempting to blame the bike, and a lot of people do. Correct riding technique (hanging off!) puts the bike more upright at a given cornering speed and that reduces the loading on the suspension!!

It's up to the rider to make the best use of the bike, and that's why you need to know how to do it ...
 

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